Reminiscent of TE Lawrence... "So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are..."

Oh yes, apparently Mitch Clark is back...

Ironically, your post (and Ben-Hur's) highlight the TRUE nature of MFC supporters as a collective. We always argue amongst ourselves, put our club and players down, berate our admin for us not being a powerhouse, and just generally kick anything red and blue rather than show ANY type of unity. That's why we're weak as a club. It's not Cam Schwab's fault. It's not Dean Bailey's fault. It's not Jack Watts' fault. It's the way we focus our angst on each other, rather than use it to unite us against our actual enemies.

Ironically, I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was agreeing with someone.

I've rarely had a go at the whole club or admin, probably only that [censored] Paul Gardiner who I never liked. I realise it's a tough formula to get right at the top to deliver the ultimate success, and I don't enough about what goes on to often comment on it, I usually stick to what I know, and that's on field.

I hope my post didn't show angst towards the club or supporters, there's no angst here, I accepted what we're like a long time ago. Maybe that makes me soft. At least posts like BH's make us have a look at ourselves.

But enough about me, as a collective, I don't know, you may be right, I hear sweet FA from our supporters to know what we think of each other. Only what goes on on here, and I won't deny the people that post here frequently are passionate. It's the majority that don't post here, that pick and choose when to go to the games and if they'll bother making any noise or finding out what the new kid's name is. I have no idea what they are thinking/feeling. I know exactly what a crowd of Richmond or Essondon fans are thinking.

PS I love Mitch Clark. I have oodles of man-passion for Mitch Clark. I will weep upon his return.

Ironically, I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was agreeing with someone.

I've rarely had a go at the whole club or admin, probably only that [censored] Paul Gardiner who I never liked. I realise it's a tough formula to get right at the top to deliver the ultimate success, and I don't enough about what goes on to often comment on it, I usually stick to what I know, and that's on field.

I hope my post didn't show angst towards the club or supporters, there's no angst here, I accepted what we're like a long time ago. Maybe that makes me soft. At least posts like BH's make us have a look at ourselves.

But enough about me, as a collective, I don't know, you may be right, I hear sweet FA from our supporters to know what we think of each other. Only what goes on on here, and I won't deny the people that post here frequently are passionate. It's the majority that don't post here, that pick and choose when to go to the games and if they'll bother making any noise or finding out what the new kid's name is. I have no idea what they are thinking/feeling. I know exactly what a crowd of Richmond or Essondon fans are thinking.

Haven't met too many who didn't think Gardiner was a [censored]... Maybe that's what can unite us?!

Of the few MFC supporters I've ever met, not many have had much idea about footy, and it's usually an awkward, passionless convo about their favourite players, I usually lose interest pretty quickly.

When fellow supporters strike up a convo on the train, it always just seems to me like a casual interest, nothing worth hearing or interesting, nothing at all like some of the good posts/posters on here.

So in my experience I completely agree with what B-H has said.

The softness is also right. Just look at the reactions to some of the mild, honest criticisms on here. Go back and look for anyone calling Bennell or Morton soft, the reactions to those comments, which are true, just shows how many Demons supporters will put up with and even defend any garbage that is repeatedly displayed on the field.

At the games we're the most quiet, reserved crowd you ever see. The rare times when we have been unusually loud and rowdy, it stood out like dogs balls and I wondered why it wasn't like that at every game.

unfair dismissal there mate. Anyone who even goes to a game automatically has a certain degree of passion.. what do you call a freezing sunday evening watching us get pumped week after week.. and its not cheap either. clearly there are thousands who use this forum, which is in itself an indicator of sincere interest. BTW I know maybe a dozen Melbourne supporters and they are all pretty fair dinkum.

Of the few MFC supporters I've ever met, not many have had much idea about footy, and it's usually an awkward, passionless convo about their favourite players, I usually lose interest pretty quickly.

When fellow supporters strike up a convo on the train, it always just seems to me like a casual interest, nothing worth hearing or interesting, nothing at all like some of the good posts/posters on here.

So in my experience I completely agree with what B-H has said.

The softness is also right. Just look at the reactions to some of the mild, honest criticisms on here. Go back and look for anyone calling Bennell or Morton soft, the reactions to those comments, which are true, just shows how many Demons supporters will put up with and even defend any garbage that is repeatedly displayed on the field.

At the games we're the most quiet, reserved crowd you ever see. The rare times when we have been unusually loud and rowdy, it stood out like dogs balls and I wondered why it wasn't like that at every game.

I couldn't disagree more. You have to be extremely passionate to barrack for MFC, otherwise why wouldn't you have changed sides years ago and jumped off the rabble that is our beloved Demons.

My only love, sprung from my only hate...so to speak.

Some footy fans just aren't into it as much as most demonlanders are. I travel a bit with work and meet many types of supporters. I've meet the ones who know nothing but still support the club to the ones who know what side of the bed Nathan Jones sleeps on. Each to their own. As long as the casual fan can become a casual member I don't give a toss what their knowledge or attitude is towards the MFC.

If Mitch plays Round 1, Port are in for a hiding.

He makes EVERY player walk 10 feet taller.

yet another thread that has been ruined by the usual losers big noting themselves and thinking anyone gives a [censored] what they think

yet another thread that has 10% on topic and 90% of garbage

This forum is a joke. Bigfooty is better than this, and that's saying something

the mods here need to be replaced, not that I care since i wont be back

Catch ya

Of the few MFC supporters I've ever met, not many have had much idea about footy, and it's usually an awkward, passionless convo about their favourite players, I usually lose interest pretty quickly.

When fellow supporters strike up a convo on the train, it always just seems to me like a casual interest, nothing worth hearing or interesting, nothing at all like some of the good posts/posters on here.

So in my experience I completely agree with what B-H has said.

The softness is also right. Just look at the reactions to some of the mild, honest criticisms on here. Go back and look for anyone calling Bennell or Morton soft, the reactions to those comments, which are true, just shows how many Demons supporters will put up with and even defend any garbage that is repeatedly displayed on the field.

At the games we're the most quiet, reserved crowd you ever see. The rare times when we have been unusually loud and rowdy, it stood out like dogs balls and I wondered why it wasn't like that at every game.

That's the most ridiculous post I've ever read. The good games I go to the 15,000 demon supporters easily make as much noise and show their passion and footy smarts compared to the 25,000 opposition fans. You should sit near me. We have a great laugh and thoroughly enjoy the good times, few and far between that they are.

yet another thread that has been ruined by the usual losers big noting themselves and thinking anyone gives a [censored] what they think

yet another thread that has 10% on topic and 90% of garbage

This forum is a joke. Bigfooty is better than this, and that's saying something

the mods here need to be replaced, not that I care since i wont be back

Catch ya

Enjoy the high standards of BigFooty then...

Can you believe Mitch has only played half a season with us and we already hold him in the highest regard out of any player at the club?
Imagine after a (fingers crossed) full career with the Dees.

Some footy fans just aren't into it as much as most demonlanders are. I travel a bit with work and meet many types of supporters. I've meet the ones who know nothing but still support the club to the ones who know what side of the bed Nathan Jones sleeps on. Each to their own. As long as the casual fan can become a casual member I don't give a toss what their knowledge or attitude is towards the MFC.

Spot on cowboy, and respectful to the rich tapestry that is a supporter base....

yet another thread that has been ruined by the usual losers big noting themselves and thinking anyone gives a [censored] what they think

yet another thread that has 10% on topic and 90% of garbage

This forum is a joke. Bigfooty is better than this, and that's saying something

the mods here need to be replaced, not that I care since i wont be back

Catch ya

I agreed with you up until big footy.

Stoked to hear Mitch is getting out on the park. But take it slow big man!

yet another thread that has been ruined by the usual losers big noting themselves and thinking anyone gives a shit what they think

yet another thread that has 10% on topic and 90% of garbage

This forum is a joke. Bigfooty is better than this, and that's saying something

the mods here need to be replaced, not that I care since i wont be back

Catch ya

I love it when someone says they won't be back and then they come back to edit their own post.

If Mitch plays Round 1, Port are in for a hiding.

He makes EVERY player walk 10 feet taller.

If Mitch plays Round 1, Port are in for a hiding.

He makes EVERY player walk 10 feet taller.

Really? is that why we won 2 games last year with him playing?

Really? is that why we won 2 games last year with him playing?

We're slightly better this year, but most of the players last year we're already starting from 6 feet under, so adding 10 only makes them 4 foot...

Really? is that why we won 2 games last year with him playing?

Hang in there.

You and I both know that this bloke is a culture/game changer.

On topic, it's great to hear that Mitch is playing this weekend. His Lisfranc can be a career killer, so he's now in the clear. For those of you worried about repeat injury, Lisfranc dislocations don't recur with any greater incidence in previous sufferers. I expect to see him round 1. Good work to Mark Blackney his surgeon, and the rehab team.....particularly the physios. I might be biased, haha.

We're slightly better this year, but most of the players last year we're already starting from 6 feet under, so adding 10 only makes them 4 foot...

Yes, I was about to say that it was because we were still trying to climb out of the hole we had dug ourselves over the previous few seasons.

On topic, it's great to hear that Mitch is playing this weekend. His Lisfranc can be a career killer, so he's now in the clear. For those of you worried about repeat injury, Lisfranc dislocations don't recur with any greater incidence in previous sufferers. I expect to see him round 1. Good work to Mark Blackney his surgeon, and the rehab team.....particularly the physios. I might be biased, haha.

So out of interest, what is the career killing factor if not recurrence? I got the impression they were being so careful to prevent it happening again.

Good news that it is now completely behind him!

I hope my post didn't show angst towards the club or supporters, there's no angst here, I accepted what we're like a long time ago. Maybe that makes me soft. At least posts like BH's make us have a look at ourselves.

But enough about me, as a collective, I don't know, you may be right, I hear sweet FA from our supporters to know what we think of each other. Only what goes on on here, and I won't deny the people that post here frequently are passionate. It's the majority that don't post here, that pick and choose when to go to the games and if they'll bother making any noise or finding out what the new kid's name is. I have no idea what they are thinking/feeling. I know exactly what a crowd of Richmond or Essondon fans are thinking.

The last couple of years and 2008-09 overall have been a hell of a time for all supporters. So we haven't had much to yell and cheer about. It's mostly been frustrating times and comfortable (and more than comfortable) losses. I'm guessing if you're a Richmond and/or Essendon supporter you've had a fair bit to be passionate about in terms of improvement and many competitive games of football.

I think the passion is still there, it just needs to be unearthed thanks to some good footy.

I love it when someone says they won't be back and then they come back to edit their own post.

And he dropped the "catcha" cliche, meaning he'll be back in contact,I presume!

His point is still valid, too much egotistical off-topic dross to wade through to get at the on-topic insightful pearls...