I can't remember posting for a month. This whole saga has taken a heavy toll. Please tell me it's going to be over today.

Could be a bad year for Kero .

I hope it is an agonising and bumpy fall for her.The Wangaratta Times is calling.

Wangaratta Chronicle

(the Times is in Myrtleford)

http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/3219-1234who-do-you-think-they-barrack-for

Interesting reading that and noting which journalists are unable to contain their bias when they are writing about their club. Emma Quayle is too good to be an Essendon supporter.

On reflection Wilson was humiliated on last night's programme.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Thread improving.....

So is the vibe. The Sanderson comments are timely and telling.

Me, I can't wait to see the chunk and JV smash in at the first bounce of the H and A.

I'll take:

Schwab: no charge

Bailey: irregular activities, no firm evidence, no charge

Connolly: Bringing game into disrepute with threats relating to tanking - 6 months and $50K

MFC: Bringing game into disrepute for not reining Connolly in - fine $300K

I'll take:

Schwab: no charge

Bailey: irregular activities, no firm evidence, no charge

Connolly: Bringing game into disrepute with threats relating to tanking - 6 months and $50K

MFC: Bringing game into disrepute for not reining Connolly in - fine $300K

300k is a bit rich.

I'll take:

Schwab: no charge

Bailey: irregular activities, no firm evidence, no charge

Connolly: Bringing game into disrepute with threats relating to tanking - 6 months and $50K

MFC: Bringing game into disrepute for not reining Connolly in - fine $300K

Do you think the MFC would take it to court if these actions were taken against them? It would be cheaper to accept them, however it sounds like Mr. McLardy will challenge anything unless we are cleared completely.

300k is a bit rich.

You could, in theory, think of paying $300k for all that we got (directly and indirectly) for the priority pick (Scully) that we earned through --allegedly-- "tanking".

So... we gained Clark, Toumpas, Hogan, Barry, Dawes, Viney (if you believe we struck a deal with GC and GWS), and we paid $300k. If you'd offered me all of those players in 2009 for the price of $300k I would have taken it.

Do you think the MFC would take it to court if these actions were taken against them? It would be cheaper to accept them, however it sounds like Mr. McLardy will challenge anything unless we are cleared completely.

And so he should, we didnt do anything wrong. Would you accept a punishment for something your not guilty of?

I thought Hutchy was a cat???

oops sorry, mixed up Hutchison with Robinson (too early in the morning)

And so he should, we didnt do anything wrong. Would you accept a punishment for something your not guilty of?

I would not, I'm just wondering what people think will happen if this is how the AFL decides to penalize us.

Do you think the MFC would take it to court if these actions were taken against them? It would be cheaper to accept them, however it sounds like Mr. McLardy will challenge anything unless we are cleared completely.

Wouldn't be cheaper if we didn't have to pay the legal fees.

Wouldn't be cheaper if we didn't have to pay the legal fees.

Why wouldn't we have to pay the legal fees?

My view is that if any sanctions are handed down to anyone, they will be wholly suspended for 12 months.

I'll take:

Schwab: no charge

Bailey: irregular activities, no firm evidence, no charge

Connolly: Bringing game into disrepute with threats relating to tanking - 6 months and $50K

MFC: Bringing game into disrepute for not reining Connolly in - fine $300K

I would take that and run.

Some rich Collins Street (MFC supporting) lawyer can pick up the tab.

The best thing with that are no draft sanctions and we can finally put this garbage behind us and focus on 2013.

Do not go near the courts. A 300k fine could turn into 2 million dollars of ambulance chaser fees.

I'll take:

Schwab: no charge

Bailey: irregular activities, no firm evidence, no charge

Connolly: Bringing game into disrepute with threats relating to tanking - 6 months and $50K

MFC: Bringing game into disrepute for not reining Connolly in - fine $300K

If we accept that, we're accepting and announcing to the world that we "tanked".

That cannot be undone, ever.

We'll be "The Tanking Club" for the rest of days. Officially.

That cannot happen.

In balance of probability we did tank. So if found guilty and the punishment is relatively light we have to accept it. DM is just making noises to save face. I seriously doubt this will go to court if we are found guilty. The costs will cripple the club. All our dirty laundry will be aired in public. Civil matters are not bound by the need of finding undeniable proof. If the evidence says we likely did it then the case will be turfed out of court. Better take our medicine, move on and concentrate on footy.

I would take that and run.

Some rich Collins Street (MFC supporting) lawyer can pick up the tab.

The best thing with that are no draft sanctions and we can finally put this garbage behind us and focus on 2013.

Do not go near the courts. A 300k fine could turn into 2 million dollars of ambulance chaser fees.

If you are unfortunate enough to be in an "ambulance" due to a train wreck that wasn't of your doing, you might be glad that someone is actually chasing that in which you are being transported.

Let's not forget, Guy Jalland is a Lawyer of some repute.

Having said that, no, I do not want to go to Court, but nor do I want peoples livelihoods needlessly affected and the name of our proud club sullied for the sake of face saving for the AFL.

In balance of probability we did tank. So if found guilty and the punishment is relatively light we have to accept it. DM is just making noises to save face. I seriously doubt this will go to court if we are found guilty. The costs will cripple the club. All our dirty laundry will be aired in public. Civil matters are not bound by the need of finding undeniable proof. If the evidence says we likely did it then the case will be turfed out of court. Better take our medicine, move on and concentrate on footy.

I'm trying to imagine Eddie or any other president uttering words like "we have to accept it".

This kerfuffle is not about whether we tanked. We did. It is about the hypocrisy and unfairness of the AFL to investigate us for it.

A court case won't be about whether we tanked or not. It will about whether the AFL correctly applied their own rules.

If we accept that, we're accepting and announcing to the world that we "tanked".

That cannot be undone, ever.

We'll be "The Tanking Club" for the rest of days. Officially.

That cannot happen.

Who gives a stuff what other people think of us? Carlton are known as the brown paper baggers, do you think that hurts them or they give a stuff.

The mentality on here is ridiculous. If we get away with a minor fine for the club and minimal suspensions for CC & DB we should be absolutely laughing and thankful we can put this entire sordid mess behind us and focus on building towards the future with Neeld and the players/FD we have now instead of wallowing about in months/years of legal arguments in court about stuff that happened 4 bloody years ago.

By the way having some sort of fines/suspensions handed out doesn't make us guilty of tanking - it will depend on what the findings/charges are but it is not a black & white issue.

Wilson last night maintained she had her 5 "unofficial reasons" were based on discussions with people inside the club including a director

Either she lied - or a director has been leading her up the garden path ( which is pretty funny).

If the former (which I suspect) DM should issue another message to the supporters today assuring the supporters that no director has leaked to the press - and that Caroline's assertions are again - "just plain wrong"

If Gary questions her again next week - will she maintain that she speaks regularly with a Melbourne Director at the water cooler in the office ..... Beverley O'Connor ?" Come on Gary, you have no credibility when it comes to Melbourne, I didn't say it was a current director!"

Who gives a stuff what other people think of us? Carlton are known as the brown paper baggers, do you think that hurts them or they give a stuff.

The mentality on here is ridiculous. If we get away with a minor fine for the club and minimal suspensions for CC & DB we should be absolutely laughing and thankful we can put this entire sordid mess behind us and focus on building towards the future with Neeld and the players/FD we have now instead of wallowing about in months/years of legal arguments in court about stuff that happened 4 bloody years ago.

By the way having some sort of fines/suspensions handed out doesn't make us guilty of tanking - it will depend on what the findings/charges are but it is not a black & white issue.

Correct and Eddie would deny it anyway.

If we accept that, we're accepting and announcing to the world that we "tanked".

That cannot be undone, ever.

We'll be "The Tanking Club" for the rest of days. Officially.

That cannot happen.

and to make it worse...then all the other Clubs that did likewise but had not been so labeled will just stand and fall about pointing and laughing.

That too can not be an option

In balance of probability we did tank. So if found guilty and the punishment is relatively light we have to accept it. DM is just making noises to save face. I seriously doubt this will go to court if we are found guilty. The costs will cripple the club. All our dirty laundry will be aired in public. Civil matters are not bound by the need of finding undeniable proof. If the evidence says we likely did it then the case will be turfed out of court. Better take our medicine, move on and concentrate on footy.

Hey Kero,

I like your new name. Once again, I disagree with you entirely (I'm sure I'm not alone).

War-chest is for going to war. The consequences of admitting anything are too great, and the AFL will lose any case, despite how costly it will be for us.

So no. AFL can eat humble pie, and if they want to be polite, apologise for AA's vindictive streak.