North want Gysberts AND a pick for Pedersen. Not the other way round.

Tell 'em they're dreaming

Are we the trade period [censored]?? Every other team seems to take turns trying to fu€k us!!!

i'm confused.....eod tomorrow can't come soon enough

Tell 'em they're dreaming

Like us expecting pick 33 for Martin, exchanging 38 for Jacobs, 49 for Pedersen, or getting any value for Morton, Bennell, Bate, or Jetta.

As much as I like Gys, isnt it pretty obvious to see what Neeld is doing here?

BIG, MATURE BODIES. Its what its all about.

Looks to be getting rid of morton and gys and co with a frame that wont hold up in the heat of finals.

Neeld has brought to the club Clark, Sellar, Dawes, Rodan, Viney, going after Pederson, and i assume Wines will come also. He has a plan. Stick with him

Like us expecting pick 33 for Martin, exchanging 38 for Jacobs, 49 for Pedersen, or getting any value for Morton, Bennell, Bate, or Jetta.

What's the trade period without clubs trying to offload their rejects for way over inflated prices?

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by the passenger

Dont understand our desire to keep giving up mids for talls? We have such poor mids and too many talls, cant see how wed win this trade at all

North seem worse than Essendon to deal with when it comes to trading, and that's saying something - keep holding out for better offers all the time. They refuse to give Port pick 15 and instead want to give 38 for Jacobs (who was pick 16 two years ago, is a good player but just wants to go home), they are happy to give Edwards to Richmond but are "holding out" for a better pick than 74, and with us they are happy to get rid of Pedersen but want something more than 49. It's clear that they think they can screw teams - our FD already paid slightly overs for Dawes and to an extent Hogan, which is absolutely fine as sometimes you need to do so, but let's hope they don't get stuffed by North on this Pederson/Gysberts thing. How Pedersen is worth any more than a 49 is beyond me....

I vote HELL NO to this deal. Gys is worth far more to us than Pedersen. Stick with offering pick 49. If they bite fine, if not then they can keep him and we'll move on.

Jones, Mckenzie, Sylvia, grimes, trengove, howe, blease, tapscott, byrnes, nichloson, viney,pick 4, bail, taggert.

Possibly Morton, Evans, jetta, tynan.

Players in our midfield I put ahead of gysberts, he doesn't even really provide us with much depth, he is trade bait and that's it. Gysberts might be a good midfielder in another team, but Pederson from kangas will be a walk up start, and will be a decent role player for us!

I want to see players like Viney, taggert, whoever we take at pick 4 playing through our midfield and I can't see him breaking in ahead of many of them! But each to their own opinions, but he is no messiah, and he is definitely not star material currently

Papers talking about a straight swap of players. Gys for Pedersen. If we do that we have been royally screwed.

Papers talking about a straight swap of players. Gys for Pedersen. If we do that we have been royally screwed.

Things will burn,

A Jay Clark piece so proceed with the utmost caution. Personally I don't have a problem with this deal.

Ol' Jay-Jay is still on the Morton/Eagles kick but interestingly doesn't re-iterate his earlier assertion that Cale flew to Perth to meet with Worsfold.

http://www.news.com....y-1226503452396

Would be tough to break into norths midfield for jizz, he probably has more chance at Melbourne.

I think Neeld can make something of him.

Was great to see him debut for Melbourne with such confidence, and he stood up when everyone else was dragging their heels. He gave us a glimmer of hope. 21 years old , this is one you should hang onto Neeld.

I feel this could be another Scott Thompson debacle. High draft pick, injury prone first few years, leaves the club, turns into a champion.

I don't see us as winners if the deal is a straight swap for Pederson. Personally I don't see the gain in Pederson at all, but that's not on topic.

I vote HELL NO to this deal. Gys is worth far more to us than Pedersen. Stick with offering pick 49. If they bite fine, if not then they can keep him and we'll move on.

Agree totally. This is a crap deal, as is accepting Pick 88 For Morton.

Nothing in return for two first round picks - now there's value !

I put the giant disclaimer in that I dont have insight and am purely postulating ( I only posted this so I get to say the word postulate).

Its kind of like the theory - you look outside - you see really dark clouds - someone comes inside covered in water - you would draw the assumption its been raining.

I think we have all seen that the kid has talent. You would assume that people within the club have alerted our coaching staff to the talent the kid has displayed, albeit infrequently. Neeld and Co seem determined to get rid of him. I have to draw the conclusion that there is something that Neeld doesnt like about the kid so all the talk I hear about attitude and committment and preparedness to do the hard yards makes sense to me.

We have bemoaned for seasons our lack of hardness, our lack of players prepared to bleed red and blue and half hearted efforts by our players but when the coach identifies what I can only assume is one of these types of players and wants to move we cry foul. The issue is not the return we will get for him because again I assume that if Neeld thought he could be a work in progress he would keep him - the issue is we are going to play hard ball and keep a player who Neeld doesnt think is up to it.

Gys could turn around and bite us later but if we paid for a diamond and got a lump of coal, dont hang onto the coal purely because no one will pay diamond prices for it - at the end of the day - coal on a ring on your finger looks like crap

If we trade Gys for Pederson we will be getting bent over, if we trade him and a pick for Pederson we will be the dumbest club ever in existence.

I put the giant disclaimer in that I dont have insight and am purely postulating ( I only posted this so I get to say the word postulate).

Its kind of like the theory - you look outside - you see really dark clouds - someone comes inside covered in water - you would draw the assumption its been raining.

I think we have all seen that the kid has talent. You would assume that people within the club have alerted our coaching staff to the talent the kid has displayed, albeit infrequently. Neeld and Co seem determined to get rid of him. I have to draw the conclusion that there is something that Neeld doesnt like about the kid so all the talk I hear about attitude and committment and preparedness to do the hard yards makes sense to me.

We have bemoaned for seasons our lack of hardness, our lack of players prepared to bleed red and blue and half hearted efforts by our players but when the coach identifies what I can only assume is one of these types of players and wants to move we cry foul. The issue is not the return we will get for him because again I assume that if Neeld thought he could be a work in progress he would keep him - the issue is we are going to play hard ball and keep a player who Neeld doesnt think is up to it.

Gys could turn around and bite us later but if we paid for a diamond and got a lump of coal, dont hang onto the coal purely because no one will pay diamond prices for it - at the end of the day - coal on a ring on your finger looks like crap

Leaves a nasty stain too.

Melbourne have been excellent this trade/ free agency period. This however is making me scratch my head, I dont think it would be a straight up swap, its too heavily favoured to North. Mabe Morton for Pederson? Id be happy with that.

Dont understand our desire to keep giving up mids for talls? We have such poor mids and too many talls, cant see how wed win this trade at all

Exactly, and Gys is one of them. As plenty of others have said we are now adding the likes of Byrnes, Rodan, Viney and Pick 4 (Wines?) to a midfield that Gys is already struggling to break into, why wouldn't we try and get value for him on the trade table?

It makes me laugh when I see people deride the likes of North asking for a 2nd round pick for an out of favour player, then in the same breath claiming that in a rumoured deal for a player plus a 2nd round pick for one of our fringe at best players we're getting screwed

FCS people it's a trade - BOTH sides need to get value out of it!

for the record, I'd be happy enough with a straight swap, but I agree Gys plus a pick for Pedersen is a bad deal

I'm hoping that this deal would include at least Pick 58 coming back to us.

After the Caddy trade to Geelong the market suggestes that we should get a reasonable return for Gysberts, I found this interesting reading when comparing Gysberts to Caddy. http://www.footywire...A&fid1=C&fid2=C

The Gys has Caddy covered in just about every area, and there's just over a year's difference between the two. End of the day though if Gys wants out then I'm happy for him to go and if the FD think there's a roel Pedersen can play then I'm happy to have him.

This is all dependent on Martin going and landing us Ray though as far as I'm concerned. No point having all of Pedersen, Martin & Fitzpatrick on the list at the one time IMO.

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Tall Defence

We are in danger of turning the club in to a poor man's version of Sydney, without the culture; recruiting x number mature age players is ok but not in the one year. You have to build a club, this is starting to look like panic buying and fire selling.

As has been said already, the coach has the responsibility of getting the best out of his players he has not just disposing of them if they don't live up to his expectations in his first year.

I'm a bit undecided on Gordon Jysberts, same way as Rodan. It would be nice to think that we now had a culture where we could turn a player around and instill a strong work ethic in a player.

I too want to be on record as saying I would prefer Pederson to Gysberts.

Gys is lightly framed and will probably keep getting injured if he doesn't bulk up. And if work ethic is the issue, then he will not be a finals grade midfielder.

Give me the physically developed, versatile swingman with at least 5 years of AFL in him every day.

As for Cale, I'd take pretty much anything to free up a spot on the list.