There were some pretty skillful and competitive moments - we just couldn't score any goals when we dominated the forward 50's.

They are AFL players Sue. Even under 14's have some skilled passages of play.

A bit kind,I didnt notice any/many skilled passages of play last night but I have in other games. Lack of forwards,goal kickers,marking tarkets,crumbers or even defensive forwards means the team is crepe and Clark isnt the saviour on his lonesome

They are AFL players Sue. Even under 14's have some skilled passages of play.

That's just silly. Put completely crap under 14's who have no hope of ever being any good against skillful under 14's and see what happens. The crap ones won't have any skillful moments, let alone dominate inside 50's for most of a quarter. So logically we are not that crappy and have some hope of being good. The question is 'if we can do it for some significant amount of the time, what do we need to do to ensure we do it for longer and better?'.

Some of you guys just refuse to see any positives just because we have had such a bad year. The rest of us can understand your frustration - we share it. Some seem to think seeing positives is a sign of supporter weakness which somehow affects the players and allows them to be 'weak'. You're dreaming if you think what people write here affects players in any way compared to what goes on inside the club.

I dont usually post but one thing that upset me last night was that when we had kicked a point no body manned up for the kickout.

All players just waited while a Dockers played ran into an open space and marked the ball kicked to him, then a Melbourne player ran across slowly to stand the mark. This happened time and time again whenever they had the ball the dockers would spread and had men everywhere by themselves whilst our players were about five to 10 yards behind them. Arrrh

This is a great point. Because Neeld & assistants would have taught this all year over & over. But the players do not do it...Why?

Do they really not care for the jumper. Fix this and it will be a positive.

I'm sick of these people throwing around this terminology that people who are unhappy are wrist slashing.

2007 we have seen 32 wins from 132 games. That's a wining percentage of 24%. Where's the good news in that.

Fitzroy had 31 from they're last 6 seasons.

People say Port's going bad they've won 49 games in the last 6 seasons.

In fact the only worse modern record was Carlton with 28 wins from 2002 to 2007 when they had sanctions for their salary cap rorts.

It's surprising punters aren't even more disgruntled.

We must demand more, expect more and hold those responsible to account.

I'm sick of these people throwing around this terminology that people who are unhappy are wrist slashing.

2007 we have seen 32 wins from 132 games. That's a wining percentage of 24%. Where's the good news in that.

Fitzroy had 31 from they're last 6 seasons.

People say Port's going bad they've won 49 games in the last 6 seasons.

In fact the only worse modern record was Carlton with 28 wins from 2002 to 2007 when they had sanctions for their salary cap rorts.

It's surprising punters aren't even more disgruntled.

We must demand more, expect more and hold those responsible to account.

Exactly. Little fluffy positives just don't cut it anymore. Rising up the ladder is all i am interested in.

I know that many factors mould together to create a footy club culture.

But posters on here claiming that people scrapping for positives at the end of another year of misery is the reason our team is rubbish is a bit far in my view.

I'm sick of these people throwing around this terminology that people who are unhappy are wrist slashing.

2007 we have seen 32 wins from 132 games. That's a wining percentage of 24%. Where's the good news in that.

Fitzroy had 31 from they're last 6 seasons.

People say Port's going bad they've won 49 games in the last 6 seasons.

In fact the only worse modern record was Carlton with 28 wins from 2002 to 2007 when they had sanctions for their salary cap rorts.

It's surprising punters aren't even more disgruntled.

We must demand more, expect more and hold those responsible to account.

Wrist slasher.

You, and those who take similar views, essentially choose to dwell on the negatives and the bad things that have befallen our club.

No one disagrees with you when you note that we've been rubbish since 2007. No one disagrees with you when you say we've had a god-awful 2012, and no one disagrees with you when you say we've got a lot of work to do.

That is all fine. But instead of harping on about the bad things, think about the good ones, and about how there are things we can look at and be happy about. We can only control what happens from here, not what's now in the past, so instead of whinging about our poor record since 2007, let's be positive and look at how to improve it going forward. And that starts with looking at what we have going for us now, and building on it.

Wrist slasher.

You, and those who take similar views, essentially choose to dwell on the negatives and the bad things that have befallen our club.

No one disagrees with you when you note that we've been rubbish since 2007. No one disagrees with you when you say we've had a god-awful 2012, and no one disagrees with you when you say we've got a lot of work to do.

That is all fine. But instead of harping on about the bad things, think about the good ones, and about how there are things we can look at and be happy about. We can only control what happens from here, not what's now in the past, so instead of whinging about our poor record since 2007, let's be positive and look at how to improve it going forward. And that starts with looking at what we have going for us now, and building on it.

If, as has been claimed on another thread that player managers will not talk to MFC recruiters....not much.

If, as has been claimed on another thread that player managers will not talk to MFC recruiters....not much.

Why are you even surprised? How often do you think stars come on down and chat to the 16th side in the competition? We have to work to impress them, they have no obligation to talk to us, so the fact that they're not talking is not really that surprising. Nonetheless, we have the money and some persuasive people (we wouldn't have gotten Clark without those two factors), so we're not completely hopeless.

At any rate, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumour. It may well be true, but it's not reason to give up.

No doubt this has been a rubbish season.

I personally dont' think there is anything you can take from the last few matches of the year - as some teams are playing for something (finals) and others are just looking forward to the holidays.

But I don't think it's ok to knock an opinion because some people soely want to look at results. There is nothing wrong with analysing the team structures and the team adressing the fundementals and not soely focusing on the final reslut, when everyone who wasn't a one eyed dee could see the FREo v MELB result was already sorted

Posters here will say what is the point... need to win games blah blah no [censored]........ but after such a [censored] year you need to focus on something and when you follow a crap in-experienced team as we are do you need to focus on little wins otherwise you will become sad asses who all they want to do is drown everyone in their negativity.....

There is nothing wrong with this thread discussing about structure and fundemental improvements from the year. I think most people on here know the team needs to get fitter, stronger and inject some more talent and dedication to the list

We all know the players/team have preformed below expectations this year,

We all know there is questions on their commitment and lack of experienced leaders

We all know the leaders we have are not up to standard which is why there is a 19 yo and a 21 y/o captians

We all know they're not fit enough which is why Craig and Mission were employed

We all know skillsand attitudes from some are poor which is why the list needs to be turned over

We hopefully realise there is 10 - 15 young blokes this club wants to build around but unfortunatly they're all young blokes and need time, coaching, and experience - we need to accept that we only little wins at the moment....

If, as has been claimed on another thread that player managers will not talk to MFC recruiters....not much.

I also know that some MFC players haven't raised any interest from other clubs............... but if that is genuinely true it is something the MFC needs to be held accountable. And reasons why should be aired not just wrist slashing assumptions

Why are you even surprised? How often do you think stars come on down and chat to the 16th side in the competition? We have to work to impress them, they have no obligation to talk to us, so the fact that they're not talking is not really that surprising. Nonetheless, we have the money and some persuasive people (we wouldn't have gotten Clark without those two factors), so we're not completely hopeless.

At any rate, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumour. It may well be true, but it's not reason to give up.

No it is not. But it is time for us all to look for bigger problems and demand they are fixed rather than applauding little ones. That has been my point all day.

I also know that some MFC players haven't raised any interest from other clubs............... but if that is genuinely true it is something the MFC needs to be held accountable. And reasons why should be aired not just wrist slashing assumptions

I am sure it is recipricated yes. It will be interesting to see who has played there last AFL game if nobody else offers a contract.

No it is not. But it is time for us all to look for bigger problems and demand they are fixed rather than applauding little ones. That has been my point all day.

I agree and I hope and prey that that is why Neeld, Craig and Mission were employed - I hope it has been addressed

This is why i disagree with all the blind hate - we need to focus our fury on something but I am hoping the coaching/conditioning has been addressed

I am sure it is recipricated yes. It will be interesting to see who has played there last AFL game if nobody else offers a contract.

I also think a few players have been shocked at their lack of demand at certian asking prices....... It will be an interesting off season

I agree and I hope and prey that that is why Neeld, Craig and Mission were employed - I hope it has been addressed

This is why i disagree with all the blind hate - we need to focus our fury on something but I am hoping the coaching/conditioning has been addressed

It is also the attitude of the list. Are they just happy to play AFL or do they really want to lift the club??

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No it is not. But it is time for us all to look for bigger problems and demand they are fixed rather than applauding little ones. That has been my point all day.

They're not mutually exclusive. We can simultaneously work on removing the bigger problems (whatever you think they are) whilst noting that we have things to be happy with.

I should clarify: to a normal human, they aren't mutually exclusive. To a dim-witted pessimist like you, they probably are.

I know one player who wants to come to this club.....Jack Viney.

You watch Jack, Jones, Clark, Howe, Tommy Mac, Grimes, Trengove lift the fitness intensity.

There'll be no cancelling of time trials with these blokes leading.

I know one player who wants to come to this club.....Jack Viney.

You watch Jack, Jones, Clark, Howe, Tommy Mac, Grimes, Trengove lift the fitness intensity.

There'll be no cancelling of time trials with these blokes leading.

Agree. Let's get rid of the rot. It's up to the players you have named to lift the standards of this club. Those names and hopefully Jesse Hogan.

I know one player who wants to come to this club.....Jack Viney.

You watch Jack, Jones, Clark, Howe, Tommy Mac, Grimes, Trengove lift the fitness intensity.

There'll be no cancelling of time trials with these blokes leading.

jack V is exactly what this club needs.

The way people on this site believe hearsay and innuendo - as long as it's negative - astounds me. Player managers won't talk to the MFC - yep, they don't care about their clients and MFC $ aren't worth as much as other teams'. Mitch Clark didn't want to come to the MFC - he was kidnapped and drugged.

Get into the real world. Neeld has a plan and a 40% fit team wasn't going to cut it. Next year they'll be 75% AFL fit and the year after 100%. Until then, harden up as the coaches, core kids and newcomers build a team and culture worth following.

Look we all know it's been a bad year but to say there have been no positives is insane. Neeld and the FD started the changes this year and it will continue through the off season.

Those we we were unsure about who have not performed can be looked upon as positives, they will no longer clog the list and will be replaced by hungry kids or players from other lists.

The days of getting a game at this club on reputation are gone, a very small culture change that should have happened years ago

Pre season wont be such a shock this year so you know what your going to get when you rock up boys after your break and Neeld will not be kind to anyone turning up with a bad attitude or out of condition.

From here on in after the cull this becomes his list and now the heat will be on Neeld

Anyone else think the first 5 minutes of the 2nd we actually looked like we were playing an effective press?

It's not a question of accepting rubbish - it's a matter of trying to see progress and understand what the club is doing.

No. It's a matter of keeping sure the Club is on Notice.

Pearls are created through the pain & irritation of the Oyster. The Oyster does something to help itself

When your comfortable at night you'll sleep right thru. If your too hot, or too cold, you'll be motivated to crawl out of bed for another blanket, or to shed one blanket.

The point is that irritations are the genesis of creating.