bandicoot 1,395 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Posted August 6, 2012 What kind of KPIs are those? What is we have an injury curse as bad as the one that has taken our forward line to the medical clinic in Prahran that everyone goes to? Neeld will be given time and I think that improvement should be expected but let's not be stupid enough to set hard and fast rules that tie us into ending (or even continuing) tenures. They will have internal KPIs that will be important and you have to trust the board to make the right decision - if you don't trust the board well grab a few mates and go for election to the board - they are there for a reason. Lets see how far the 'injury' card gets Ratten when he meets the board at seasons end. He won't be there in 2013. Also "what kind of KPI's are winning games"? Have our supporters totally lost the plot? Its like telling a sales person that sales don't matter as long as the effort is there. If we can't win 5 games and keep our losses to a minimum in 2013 then I won't be the only member demanding answers from the board.
binman 44,856 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I reckon Neeld will revolutionise Melbourne and be the turning point in our history, he may not be the coach who takes us all the way (or he might) but he will change the way we approach football and for the better. Interesting idea. Example of his approach (and also a good example of his difference to other regimes) is his refusal to play players such as Cook when they're not ready in his mind for AFL, his preparedness to drop senior players, his preparedness to risk getting on their wrong side (i reckon the first coach since Northey who has taken on the senior cartel in an meaningful way) and his focus on his non negotiables (i'd love to know what they are) he expects of his players. The demons needed a new approach and a shake up from the ground up and from what i've seen thus far Neelds the man for the job.
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Interesting idea. Example of his approach (and also a good example of his difference to other regimes) is his refusal to play players such as Cook when they're not ready in his mind for AFL, his preparedness to drop senior players, his preparedness to risk getting on their wrong side (i reckon the first coach since Northey who has taken on the senior cartel in an meaningful way) and his focus on his non negotiables (i'd love to know what they are) he expects of his players. The demons needed a new approach and a shake up from the ground up and from what i've seen thus far Neelds the man for the job. And he needs time to do this, there are some who seem to think we should appoint a coach on an annual basis with a review every 6 months. We haven't had to take one step back to go two forward we've had to go back a kilometre before we can advance a centimetre, we actually have to turn the club in to a real football club not a social club. This will take time but when we get it right we will be proud of the result and I guess we haven't had much of that for a long time at Melbourne. I've followed the club for decades and we've been crap for the majority of that time and the reason seems to be that we've always had the attitude that near enough is good enough and that's flowed down from the leadership group to the new recruits.
Range Rover 1,935 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 the senior cartel Good term. Perfect description of it.
rpfc 29,030 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Right there with you guys and I might add that we are finally stepping it up in the development department that fuel the best clubs.
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 well atleast melbourne hasn't lost to GWS or GC No but we got thumped by Port Adelaide 2 weeks ago.
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 enough of the forelock tugging . Lets move on.
Sir Why You Little 37,475 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 We must give Neeld time. Let him be in command of this years draft...
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 enough of the forelock tugging . Lets move on. I doubt it's your forelock you've been tugging.
rpfc 29,030 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 forelock tugging I had to look that up. Someone has to show him respect. May aswell be Dees fans...
rpfc 29,030 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I doubt it's your forelock you've been tugging. We all tug forelocks from time to time. I knew a guy that tugged his fore until it unlocked! Painful, but the Osteo got it sorted. He still can't walk straight but that's the price you pay.
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I had to look that up. Someone has to show him respect. May aswell be Dees fans... A very Paul Keating comment, one of his favorites when trying to stir up the Republican debate.
Johnny Karate 559 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Herp derp Coot, are you suggesting that this club follow basketcase Pork Powder in a race to the bottom? The warning for Neeld is don't be crap? Don't be employed by a club that refuses to give you any FD or recruiting money or full say in list management? Don't be employed by a club that expects chicken salad after giving you chicken [censored] as your main ingredient? Don't accept a two year deal as a rookie coach? Don't be the first coach to lose to both start up sides? Plenty of prophetic warnings for Neeld there, Nostradamus. Hopefully the MFC board don't have the same delusions of granduer as the Port board (& presumably you) & Neeld is judged on his 3 years. Do people who make these asinine suggestions even think about the consequences? If the MFC board was to sacrifice another coach at the altar next year, would there be any credible coach interested in taking the reigns at our own basketcase? Quite frankly, you would be worried about anyone who was interested. The AFL would just about shut us down.
Chook 15,080 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Coot, are you suggesting that this club follow basketcase Pork Powder in a race to the bottom? The warning for Neeld is don't be crap? Don't be employed by a club that refuses to give you any FD or recruiting money or full say in list management? Don't be employed by a club that expects chicken salad after giving you chicken [censored] as your main ingredient? Don't accept a two year deal as a rookie coach? Don't be the first coach to lose to both start up sides? Plenty of prophetic warnings for Neeld there, Nostradamus. Hopefully the MFC board don't have the same delusions of granduer as the Port board (& presumably you) & Neeld is judged on his 3 years. Do people who make these asinine suggestions even think about the consequences? If the MFC board was to sacrifice another coach at the altar next year, would there be any credible coach interested in taking the reigns at our own basketcase? Quite frankly, you would be worried about anyone who was interested. The AFL would just about shut us down. What about "don't run off to the change rooms when the game's still on just because you're too much of a sook to take it all?" That's some good advice too.
Northern Summer 292 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Somebody raised earlier the idea of getting Primus to the club as a ruck coach or specialist coach? I thought I would just remind everyone that Primus was already at our club from 2004 - 2008, and quite successful during that period of time as well, contributing plenty of $$ - as our major sponsor!!! We might need to get 'Primus' back next year if our one-year sponsors decide not to stick around. . Just getting some humour rolling. .
The heart beats true 18,201 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 What about "don't run off to the change rooms when the game's still on just because you're too much of a sook to take it all?" That's some good advice too. I actually think that was his way of showing the playing group just how poor they were. He knew he was gone, the only ones that could do anything about it are the players and they showed absolutely nothing. Staying in the box implied that he was in control when he clearly felt that he wasn't. Good luck to them now. Maybe Bandicoot and co could sign up as Port members. I think they'll enjoy the next few years of sticking the boots into the new coach.
bush demon 2,209 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 You would not be just sacking the coach, but all his admin. as well. Crazy stuff.
cowboy_from_hell 2,390 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I actually think that was his way of showing the playing group just how poor they were. He knew he was gone, the only ones that could do anything about it are the players and they showed absolutely nothing. Staying in the box implied that he was in control when he clearly felt that he wasn't. Good luck to them now. Maybe Bandicoot and co could sign up as Port members. I think they'll enjoy the next few years of sticking the boots into the new coach. I couldn't help but feel sorry for primus. He knew he was done and to sit there and watch his own career go up in flames would have been torture. I would of kept walking straight to a bottle shop. Daniher was right footy sucks sometimes.
Gippsland Dee 367 Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 No but we got thumped by Port Adelaide 2 weeks ago. yes we did but port did beat some decent teams during the year, not saying we were one of them but still...
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Very interesting even our biggest Neeld Fan RRover's Poll Question only commits to the end of 2013. AFL Malthouse won't travel to coach Jon Pierik Mick Malthouse interested in coaching again, but not at Port Adelaide.
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 I couldn't help but feel sorry for primus. He knew he was done and to sit there and watch his own career go up in flames would have been torture. I would of kept walking straight to a bottle shop. Daniher was right footy sucks sometimes. Very sadly IMO Neeld will harbour the same "done" feeling towards the end of next year. Footy does suck sometimes. Yes sure he will see out 2013 but will need more than 6 wins to continue on IMO!! Given Neeld has not improved the state of play and If Malthouse was up for it and ready to sign then we'd be crazy not to get him in 2014. Boards come and go as well. Am sure Malthouse would prefer a clean slate....
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 I doubt it's your forelock you've been tugging. another forelock tugger!
thaipantsman 180 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Coot, are you suggesting that this club follow basketcase Pork Powder in a race to the bottom? The warning for Neeld is don't be crap? Don't be employed by a club that refuses to give you any FD or recruiting money or full say in list management? Don't be employed by a club that expects chicken salad after giving you chicken [censored] as your main ingredient? Don't accept a two year deal as a rookie coach? Don't be the first coach to lose to both start up sides? Plenty of prophetic warnings for Neeld there, Nostradamus. Hopefully the MFC board don't have the same delusions of granduer as the Port board (& presumably you) & Neeld is judged on his 3 years. Do people who make these asinine suggestions even think about the consequences? If the MFC board was to sacrifice another coach at the altar next year, would there be any credible coach interested in taking the reigns at our own basketcase? Quite frankly, you would be worried about anyone who was interested. The AFL would just about shut us down. yes! You seriously think Neeld is Melbourne FC's saviour? If that's true better start looking for another club to follow! He deserves to coach it out to end of 2013 and lets see if he's any good or just hot air. AFL Malthouse won't travel to coach Jon Pierik Mick Malthouse interested in coaching again, but not at Port Adelaide
binman 44,856 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 In news just in. Thaipantsman doesn't think Neeld is much chop and unless he improves on 6 wins will be axed at or near the end of 2013. In his opinion Neeld will 'harbour the same "done" feeling towards the end of next year"that Primus just has In more news on that subject Binman advises internet fan site Demonland that he is prepared to bet Neeld will be coaching at the dees in 2014. Wager? If bet accepted and he loses Binman will cease posting on Demonland. If on the other hands he win anyone taking the bet will stop posting on Demonland Takers?
Range Rover 1,935 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 In news just in. Thaipantsman doesn't think Neeld is much chop and unless he improves on 6 wins will be axed at or near the end of 2013. In his opinion Neeld will 'harbour the same "done" feeling towards the end of next year"that Primus just has In more news on that subject Binman advises internet fan site Demonland that he is prepared to bet Neeld will be coaching at the dees in 2014. Wager? If bet accepted and he loses Binman will cease posting on Demonland. If on the other hands he win anyone taking the bet will stop posting on Demonland Takers? Please please take that bet Thaipantsman wherever you are. Do anyone who hasn't already blocked you a favour.
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