Looking forward to Judd's next party trick- some kind of anal-play. Probably.

You mean the John Hopoate "date" rape technique (patent pending)?

I know it won't be very popular here but I think 4 weeks is about right. A precedent is now set.

BUT I think 4 weeks for Ziebell is very tough. When you watch it in real time you realize he had 1/10th of a second to decide what to do. If he doesn't go he's Josh Hunt from a few rounds back when everyone called him soft.

It feels like too much emphasis is put on slow motion footage and not enough common sense is used by people who've played the game.

Thats why Judd's was ordinary. It was premeditated. You don't just accidently end up in the situation he did.

Agree, 4 weeks for Judd is about right.

The Ziebell incident is a complete joke. Even in the slow-mo footage, you can't exactly tell who got their hand on the footy first. Considering it's been just a week since Wellingham copped 3 for clearly going the man and smashing

Kade Simpsons jaw, the system has once again proven to be inconsistent and unpredictable.

Agree, 4 weeks for Judd is about right.

The Ziebell incident is a complete joke. Even in the slow-mo footage, you can't exactly tell who got their hand on the footy first. Considering it's been just a week since Wellingham copped 3 for clearly going the man and smashing

Kade Simpsons jaw, the system has once again proven to be inconsistent and unpredictable.

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Seems that yet again Carlton (with AFL approval, it would seem) are aiming to whitewash bad behaviour by one of their stars, instead of holding them to account for it. You would think that both bodies would have learned from the rolling debacle that was Fev that bad behaviour needs to be confronted head-on, and responsibility admitted. But they haven't learned a thing.

There were a couple of dubious and unnecessary attempts to soften the blow - being instructed to not take his previous record into account, and not to apply a 30% loading. For Judd, who's had so much trouble with his own shoulders, to do this intentionally to another player who's had shoulder problems, it's hard to interpret it in any other way as a desire to inflict serious injury.

Ignoring the negative publicity it's generated, is this penalty enough to deter the same player from offending in the future? I'd doubt it. If we're back here again in another 2 or 3 years, Carlton and the AFL will only have themselves to blame.

And one can't escape the niggling feeling that struggling clubs such as North are again treated more harshly by the MRP & Tribunal than power clubs like Carlton. What would the outcome have been if it were the other way round, and it was Judd's shoulder that was subluxed by the intentional action of an opposing player?

The Ziebell incident is a complete joke. Even in the slow-mo footage, you can't exactly tell who got their hand on the footy first. Considering it's been just a week since Wellingham copped 3 for clearly going the man and smashing

Kade Simpsons jaw, the system has once again proven to be inconsistent and unpredictable.

Absolutely. I often think that the success of the tribunal should be evaluated on how effectively could you show 2 similar incidents to someone that's never seen the game before and have them understand why one is worse than the other. In the Wellingham vs. Ziebell case it would be impossible to reach the same conclusion as the MRP. One appears deliberate and callous, while the other appears to happen in the play and without another alternative for the offending player.

Judds was a malicious act premeditated. Its unconcionable really that any player would act in that way. Totally outside the spirit of the game and brings the game itself into disrepute .

Judd got off very lightly in my view. I have my suspicion half the reason the AFL jumped on it so quickly was to contain it and mitigate the punishment. Possibly the MRP might have dealt with it more harshly but we'll never know now.

Judd should change his ambassadorial role from Visy to PAL !!!

I'm content with the 4 weeks and the spanner in the works it produces for the Blues.

Looking forward to Judd's next party trick- some kind of anal-play. Probably.

I almost changed my alias to John Hopoate just so I could 'Like This'.

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

People reckon Judd's arse is kissed non-stop, but the moment he does something wrong, people say he's been treated unfairly by the media? Surely it's one or the other.

Appeal.. surely not against such a lenient sentence.

I get annoyed about his his continued use of the royal "we" in his statements to the press/media.

You did the crime Juddy ...not the football club.

We are not amused.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

I like the other Australian trait.

You can't [censored] a bullshitter. That's what Juddy has tried on - again.

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

Gotta disagree with you.

The sentence stacks up with others that the tribunal are handing out.

The act was stupid and dangerous.

Tall Poppy syndrome? Don't think so!

Appeal.. surely not against such a lenient sentence.

I get annoyed about his his continued use of the royal "we" in his statements to the press/media.

You did the crime Juddy ...not the football club.

We are not amused.

Of course he uses 'we' ...he is after all taking the p!ss !!!

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

Rubbish

he has history.

He used 'pressure points " etc.. as well as gouging.

He understands how to disarm ( npi ) someone and thats his m.o. he likes to take cheap shots when they present and I bet London to a brick there are many more instances that simply go un-noticed.

Leopard-Spots Judd-thug same dif

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

Absolute rubbish.

As someone said earlier, Judd - a man with a long history of shoulder problems - knew exactly what he was doing. Staring down at an immobilized player with heavy shoulder strapping, he pulled the arm back and to the side with malicious intent. An indefensible dog's act.

Nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome whatsoever. That's laughable.

Rubbish

he has history.

He used 'pressure points " etc.. as well as gouging.

He understands how to disarm ( npi ) someone and thats his m.o. he likes to take cheap shots when they present and I bet London to a brick there are many more instances that simply go un-noticed.

Leopard-Spots Judd-thug same dif

Didn't he also throw a blind elbow into Pavlich's face that went unpunished? Broke his nose I'm pretty sure leaving Pav with blood streaming from his face.

Personally I believe Judd. He made a mistake and deserves weeks but he did not do this with the pre-meditated intention to injure. It was sloppy not intentional. In my view this is a terrible case of trial by media. 2 weeks is about right, 4 weeks is a joke. There are too many people on this site who are still up-set for him not coming to Melbourne and too many people who have the most disgusting of Australian traits..... tall poppy syndrome.

I'll agree with the other dozen or so posters who have said "rubbish".He admits his wrong doing himself and has admitted he didn't know why he did it. It was very sloppy and there is no precedent. What is interesting is Connors outburst this morning regarding Fraser and Anderson. Perhaps you may shed some light on that given your acquaintance with Connors.Having a go at posters hung up about him not coming to Melbourne in this instance is a bit of bulltish on your part.edit: Considering the tribunal didn't take on board his loading from priors, he is lucky he didn't get 7 weeks. Four weeks is about right.

Didn't he also throw a blind elbow into Pavlich's face that went unpunished? Broke his nose I'm pretty sure leaving Pav with blood streaming from his face.

yes I seem to remember something about that.

Hes not the mesiah....hes a very naughty boy !!

Im glad the bastard didnt end up coming to Melbourne...Id be embarassed.

Im glad the bastard didnt end up coming to Melbourne...Id be embarassed.

I would not care BB

I am tired of choir boys

My main requirement is "are they good footballers"?

The rest is far less important to me.

I am so sick of losing.

Judd can come to the MFC next week for mine I do not care what the football world thinks of the MFC.

I live for the day they all hate us because we win at all costs and take no prisoners.

I would not care BB

I am tired of choir boys

My main requirement is "are they good footballers"?

The rest is far less important to me.

I am so sick of losing.

Judd can come to the MFC next week for mine I do not care what the football world thinks of the MFC.

I live for the day they all hate us because we win at all costs and take no prisoners.

sorry Old.. His CAN NOT be the example we are trying to set for the culture going forward for our club. Your view dare I say reaks of desperation for success and whilst Ive probably been waiting just as long as you I wont have it.

There has to be some standards in society otherwise anarchy rules. Those held up to be role models can not be these thuggish type. Not for me. I want a flag just as much as the next bloke but theres a line. Football is NOT exempt from the basics of common decency that exist elsewhere in life.

Id rather our club eshewed the lowlife clandestine dog-act vulgaity that is the likes of Judd and embrace more the likes of Landy,still got his just deserts without foregoing sportsmanship and decency.

sorry Old.. His CAN NOT be the example we are trying to set for the culture going forward for our club. Your view dare I say reaks of desperation for success and whilst Ive probably been waiting just as long as you I wont have it.

There has to be some standards in society otherwise anarchy rules. Those held up to be role models can not be these thuggish type. Not for me. I want a flag just as much as the next bloke but theres a line. Football is NOT exempt from the basics of common decency that exist elsewhere in life.

Id rather our club eshewed the lowlife clandestine dog-act vulgaity that is the likes of Judd and embrace more the likes of Landy,still got his just deserts without foregoing sportsmanship and decency.

We are going to disagree on this one BB.

Winning is now the only thing for me I have sucked the sour taste of defeat for too long

Have a good night mate!

will do

So how will everyone here feel about it on Brownlow night?

That little X next to his name everytime he gets votes should be pretty embarrassing for him.