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According to Brad Hardie, Cloke has now been offered 7 years by the dees. Didn't Mark Robinson say that Cloke would be signed at Collingwood by last Friday????? I'm thinking the Cloke saga may be far from over

Our forward area belongs to Mitch Clarke...I don't want anyone else (especially Cloke) taking up his space. I understand we need several tall forwards but Mitch owns the space and he is numero uno! We need a tall, strong second fiddle not an underperforming, selfish sod.

Also don't like Cloke's attitude to negotiations...reminds me too much of that No. 1 P_ick!

I reckon the worst case scenario is not spending the money and just drafting kids again with plenty of spare room in the Cap. We have an obvious lack of A grade 25+ year olds on our list. If we can snare Cloke or Goddard or any player of that ilk, without interfering with our drafting then I reckon it's a win win. No doubt Misson would have a good idea of whether Goddard is past his best, or just having an off year and in need of a change. Goddard and Watts playing up the wing would be handy.

If they're talking about 7 years...well I guess if it's heavily front loaded it doesn't make much of a difference whether it's 5 or 7 does it? The total cost, and to what extent we're sacrificing spending the money on a more suitable player is what matters.

I reckon the worst case scenario is not spending the money and just drafting kids again with plenty of spare room in the Cap. We have an obvious lack of A grade 25+ year olds on our list. If we can snare Cloke or Goddard or any player of that ilk, without interfering with our drafting then I reckon it's a win win. No doubt Misson would have a good idea of whether Goddard is past his best, or just having an off year and in need of a change. Goddard and Watts playing up the wing would be handy.

If they're talking about 7 years...well I guess if it's heavily front loaded it doesn't make much of a difference whether it's 5 or 7 does it? The total cost, and to what extent we're sacrificing spending the money on a more suitable player is what matters.

This^^^ we have to snag another big fish or the club will go down...

why would he come to us? seriously. Spend his last 4ish years of AFL football rebuilding a club? i highly doubt it.

I'd love it if he came, i really would but lose the fantasy for a second and be realistic.

Call me doom and gloom, call me pessimistic, call me sad, call me what you like but i am just being realistic.

why would he come to us? seriously. Spend his last 4ish years of AFL football rebuilding a club? i highly doubt it.

I'd love it if he came, i really would but lose the fantasy for a second and be realistic.

Call me doom and gloom, call me pessimistic, call me sad, call me what you like but i am just being realistic.

Same reason Mitch Clark came to us. With the right attitude to...

why would he come to us? seriously. Spend his last 4ish years of AFL football rebuilding a club? i highly doubt it.

I'd love it if he came, i really would but lose the fantasy for a second and be realistic.

Call me doom and gloom, call me pessimistic, call me sad, call me what you like but i am just being realistic.

Well he probably won't, that's why the club will target any available player who would add value. As mentioned, we got Clark across. Just takes a big offer and a great Powerpoint presentation.

Same reason Mitch Clark came to us. With the right attitude to...

attitude isn't the issue. AGE is the issue. Clark is a couple of years younger than Goddard and would still be around during our hopeful "premiership window".

Don't get me wrong here, i would love it if Goddard came to us, but i just don't see it happening.

If we had had shown some real potential this season and were in the 8 if not at least pushing to get in, then sure, i perhaps would think he would consider it.

But the whole league regards us as a long way off from achieving this, and whose to blame them.

I just don't see Goddard wanting to play out the rest of his career building up a club so when he retires it can push for a Premiership (which lets be honest is most likely 5 years off, at least).

He seems like a good guy, but not that good of a guy that he would give up chances to play in premierships with other clubs to do this for us.

Please prove me and my pessimism, oops i mean realism, wrong Brendon.

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People of demonland your thinking about this all wrong. If we get goddard and he starts to play well according to some on here we could then trade him. Can I start a trade Goddard thread now?

When has an established champion ie Goddard switched clubs in later half of career and ridden a new wave of club success and remained a champion?

Ian Stewart, can't think of many others. North's 70s Premiership trio all good for topping up flag tilt only.

Maybe Paul Roos.

Too much chance of just topping up their super.

Wouldn't touch Goddard at this stage of his career. He's late 20's and won't be around when we're decent again. Not only that he isnt a good leader for our kids. He's a hot-head who still hasn't learnt to shake a tag and just cracks the shits. He doesn't fit into our list at all. He hasn't played good football in over a year.

We need to look for midfielders who are early-mid 20s. Goddard is too old, and not good enough anymore.

Why the love affair with Koby Stevens???

What's he done, apart from not getting a game with West Coast for four years???

attitude isn't the issue. AGE is the issue. Clark is a couple of years younger than Goddard and would still be around during our hopeful "premiership window".

Don't get me wrong here, i would love it if Goddard came to us, but i just don't see it happening.

If we had had shown some real potential this season and were in the 8 if not at least pushing to get in, then sure, i perhaps would think he would consider it.

But the whole league regards us as a long way off from achieving this, and whose to blame them.

I just don't see Goddard wanting to play out the rest of his career building up a club so when he retires it can push for a Premiership (which lets be honest is most likely 5 years off, at least).

He seems like a good guy, but not that good of a guy that he would give up chances to play in premierships with other clubs to do this for us.

Please prove me and my pessimism, oops i mean realism, wrong Brendon.

Age was important re Clarke because he cost us our top pick, which may have ended in a 200+ gamer.

Not so much if we can get Godders with a $$$ contract only.

He would help with our maturity & quality of depth. We start to bat deeper.

Boak would be the biggest off the bat help. But not at the expence of our top 2 picks.

I'm of the view that Boak & Goddard would help us more than just Cloke.

Definite no. On the down and could not justify the coin in 2-3 years time (let alone next year when we will only be building).

Pass on Goddard for mine, class player with silky skills but not likely to improve from his best which was probably 2010. Where would he play anyway, yes he could probably play wherever he liked but I would prefer we went hard and spend money on a player that own a particular position on the ground, not just floats around.

Exactly i wouldn't be paying lots of coin for Goddard, he isn't overly that quick and tends to fade out of games ( although he is a good user of the pill we need both speed and skill) . Would Rather we pay for a Cloke Boak Caddy or Beams

Tends to fade out of games?? Seen any grand finals lately??

Will conceed he has had a poor year but is a genuine star.

Beams would be great but couldn't impact a game like goddard can when in form.

We would also have to giveup something big to get Boak, Caddy or Beams in the form of picks or players, whereas Goddard can simply walk to us.

He is 27yo, plays middle, back and forward, a respected on field general who will add much needed class to our mid field and will show our boys how to get the job done..

We have money to burn and need to pay someone big bucks over the next couple to make the minimum TPP. rather give it to someone who has earnt that coin and that certainly isn't Cloke or any of the above.

Big yes for me on Goddard.

Beams would be great but couldn't impact a game like goddard can when in form.

That's a bit unfair on Beams. He is still very young and has a good upside (on field). At the same age Scot Thompson didn't have the same impact either

Plus I haven't noticed Goddard's impact on games so much this year

As others have pointed out there are other issues with Beams, he might be expensive ($$$s + trade) and there may be little chance he would leave the Filth

but....I still rate him as a midfield player

Tends to fade out of games?? Seen any grand finals lately??

Will conceed he has had a poor year but is a genuine star.

Beams would be great but couldn't impact a game like goddard can when in form.

We would also have to giveup something big to get Boak, Caddy or Beams in the form of picks or players, whereas Goddard can simply walk to us.

He is 27yo, plays middle, back and forward, a respected on field general who will add much needed class to our mid field and will show our boys how to get the job done..

We have money to burn and need to pay someone big bucks over the next couple to make the minimum TPP. rather give it to someone who has earnt that coin and that certainly isn't Cloke or any of the above.

Big yes for me on Goddard.

This was my point excactly. Wether or not he would even want to come here is another question but to get someone of

his talent and experience for only money could be a good get. And yes I know he may be getting on but perhaps a new

club would rejuvenate him. Worth a look I think.

This was my point excactly. Wether or not he would even want to come here is another question but to get someone of

his talent and experience for only money could be a good get.

Good point. With free agency it's hard to ignore that it only costs cash. We're not trading away our future, only spending what we need to spend now. Another way to phrase it would be 'are we willing to cut 3 older players with no potential for growth for the salary of a 27 year old Goddard'. I'd vote yes to that.

Good point. With free agency it's hard to ignore that it only costs cash. We're not trading away our future, only spending what we need to spend now. Another way to phrase it would be 'are we willing to cut 3 older players with no potential for growth for the salary of a 27 year old Goddard'. I'd vote yes to that.

Amen to that. Goddard, A downpayment toward our future.

And use our picks on young Class,,, & Boak.

Goddards got issues, has anger problems, is mentally soft, highly egotistical and lacks discipline.

Why would we want Goddard?

I dont think Boak is all he is cranked up to be either, but at least he has it together, is a leader,

has a great attitude, a good family lad and loved by his team mates.

Goddards got issues, has anger problems, is mentally soft, highly egotistical and lacks discipline.

Why would we want Goddard?

I dont think Boak is all he is cranked up to be either, but at least he has it together, is a leader,

has a great attitude, a good family lad and loved by his team mates.

Yeah cos going after the "nice guy" hasn't hurt us in the past...

According to Brad Hardie, Cloke has now been offered 7 years by the dees. Didn't Mark Robinson say that Cloke would be signed at Collingwood by last Friday????? I'm thinking the Cloke saga may be far from over

Surely this isn't possible - This would be out to Neeld's 3rd coaching contract (assuming 3 year terms) and it will burden the coach and the Club with a lumbering 'white elephant'. Surely the Board wouldn't allow this. Let's hope Collingwood sign hiim up fast!

From my memory didn't Robert Walls and Leigh Matthews say we payed way too much for Clark........ Cloke is still number 1 in the comp for marks and if he is offered 5 or 6 years by the Dees it wouldn't faze me

If he was a year or 2 younger he'd be a perfect fit in my humble opinion. He demands the ball is and is an elite kick. So what if HBF is one of the easiest positions to play, if you play the position as well as he does, so what?