Changes v Port Adelaide

[stuie 7,374]

You can, & we have, as most clubs have, played 1 Ruck on Many occasions

Yeah, and how did that go on Saturday mate?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Yeah, and how did that go on Saturday mate?

Actually, we nearly Won. But losing 2 players before halftime doesn't help running out the game, does it? Just as 2 rucks doesn't help running out the game.

[stuie 7,374]

Actually, we nearly Won. But losing 2 players before halftime doesn't help running out the game, does it? Just as 2 rucks doesn't help running out the game.

What? Did you watch the game? It was 100% CLEAR that having 1 worn out ruckman and no big forward target after Jamar was out LOST us the game!

Edited July 16, 2012 by stuie

[dee-luded 2,959]

What? Did you watch the game? It was 100% CLEAR that having 1 worn out ruckman and no big forward target after Jamar was out LOST us the game!

No, I've had the flu bad, & hadn't realised it was televised until late in the game. i missed both VFL & our game. Too much going on plus the Flu to be ontop of things. Just broke it's back & starting to recover since yesterday morning. So tomorrow should be good.

So yes I'd agree, that not having the tall forward or tall back to give Martin a rest would hurt.

But in Darwin, having the extra Tall is a Hindrance, as it too hard to Mark, or even handle the ball cleanly. Lots of Fumbling etc.

In Darwin you need 1 & a Half Rucks.

IMO Spencer &/or Fitzy playing in Darwins Heat & Humdity, would not do they're reputations or confidence any good. Spence is only 3 games back from a 12 month injury, so I suspect he'll be low on 'Tank' & on 'legs'.

Sellar isn't the answer unless Port go in Way too tall.

We need 1/2 a Ruckman to help Steph.

Edited July 16, 2012 by dee-luded

[stuie 7,374]

No, I've had the flu bad, & hadn't realised it was televised until late in the game. i missed both VFL & our game. Too much going on plus the Flu to be ontop of things. Just broke it's back & starting to recover since yesterday morning. So tomorrow should be good.

So yes I'd agree, that not having the tall forward or tall back to give Martin a rest would hurt.

But in Darwin, having the extra Tall is a Hindrance, as it too hard to Mark, or even handle the ball cleanly. Lots of Fumbling etc.

In Darwin you need 1 & a Half Rucks.

IMO Spencer &/or Fitzy playing in Darwins Heat & Humdity, would not do they're reputations or confidence any good. Spence is only 3 games back from a 12 month injury, so I suspect he'll be low on 'Tank' & on 'legs'.

Sellar isn't the answer unless Port go in Way too tall.

We need 1/2 a Ruckman to help Steph.

Basically in the Freo game, Martin was playing Clark's role, and started really well kicking 2 goals in the first quarter, but once Jamar went down it all went pear shaped.

So we play Spencer (who was great last week) as Jamar, and Martin as Clark. Don't think we wouldn't play Jamar and Clark if available so it's no different height and setup wise.

We can't afford to have any of Dunn, Sylvia, Rivers (who tried to ruck on Saturday) etc backing up the ruck cos we'll get smashed and won't be able to win the ball.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Basically in the Freo game, Martin was playing Clark's role, and started really well kicking 2 goals in the first quarter, but once Jamar went down it all went pear shaped.

So we play Spencer (who was great last week) as Jamar, and Martin as Clark. Don't think we wouldn't play Jamar and Clark if available so it's no different height and setup wise.

We can't afford to have any of Dunn, Sylvia, Rivers (who tried to ruck on Saturday) etc backing up the ruck cos we'll get smashed and won't be able to win the ball.

It can't work in the slippery conditions & stifling Humidity/Heat. Our runners, will run out of Legs.

# Unless we had a Tall forward, who couldn't be stopped 'Marking the ball & kicking Goals' in the humidity, it couldn't work.

Edited July 16, 2012 by dee-luded

[stuie 7,374]

It can't work in the slippery conditions & stifling Humidity/Heat. Our runners, will run out of Legs.

# Unless we had a Tall forward, who couldn't be stopped 'Marking the ball & kicking Goals' in the humidity, it couldn't work.

Do you think Spencer is going to get MORE tired than Sylvia or Dunn trying to ruck?!

[Nasher 33,617]

Basically in the Freo game, Martin was playing Clark's role, and started really well kicking 2 goals in the first quarter, but once Jamar went down it all went pear shaped.

So we play Spencer (who was great last week) as Jamar, and Martin as Clark. Don't think we wouldn't play Jamar and Clark if available so it's no different height and setup wise.

We can't afford to have any of Dunn, Sylvia, Rivers (who tried to ruck on Saturday) etc backing up the ruck cos we'll get smashed and won't be able to win the ball.

I completely agree stuie. Losing Jamar not only wore Martin in to the ground but it stuffed our forward structure. We can't afford to go in to this game with a half-arsed ruck structure.

As you said - Spencer should play the Jamar role and Martin to play the Clark role. It's not exactly ideal, but it's the best we can muster at the moment. Going in with only one ruck is a crazy idea.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I completely agree stuie. Losing Jamar not only wore Martin in to the ground but it stuffed our forward structure. We can't afford to go in to this game with a half-arsed ruck structure.

As you said - Spencer should play the Jamar role and Martin to play the Clark role. It's not exactly ideal, but it's the best we can muster at the moment. Going in with only one ruck is a crazy idea.

Doing a 'Col Sylvia' there Nash.

[monoccular 17,607]

I think he was o.k on the weekend but he has been running so slow this year and is so important going forward that i just think if any game we should rest him it's the Darwin game. The kid has had a tuff year and really needs to be looked after Just IMO

If there is ANY risk of aggravating an injury then FCS....rest him.

He will be desperately needed next season - this season is shot.

Memo Neeld: we don't need to see him injured yet run into the ground in a meaningless end of season like Jeff White was by ND. That was disgraceful.

[monoccular 17,607]

I completely agree stuie. Losing Jamar not only wore Martin in to the ground but it stuffed our forward structure. We can't afford to go in to this game with a half-arsed ruck structure.

As you said - Spencer should play the Jamar role and Martin to play the Clark role. It's not exactly ideal, but it's the best we can muster at the moment. Going in with only one ruck is a crazy idea.

...or Fitz to play the forward role with ruck relief. Spencer may have done well last week but is one dimensional...Fitz has more strings in his bow, and also apparently did well last week. Edited July 16, 2012 by monoccular

[stuie 7,374]

...or Fitz to play the forward role with ruck relief. Spencer may have done well last week but is one dimensional...Fitz has more strings in his bow, and also apparently did well last week.

Yeah can't really seperate them, but just giving the edge to Spencer as he's more the "pure" ruckman of the two (seeing Martin will go forward after a great start on Saturday), he did improve in the two games he played a couple of weeks ago, and he was the better of the two last week.

But I'd be just as happy if it was Fitzy.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Do you think Spencer is going to get MORE tired than Sylvia or Dunn trying to ruck?!

Yes.

* And as I was alluding to with our illustrious leader, & as you've touched on, Sylvia, when we have the smaller Ruck, goes up 3rd man over the top. As he has done before when we have played with 1 Ruck.

This gives us more agility around the ball, more run & more speed.

[stuie 7,374]

Yes.

* And as I was alluding to with our illustrious leader, & as you've touched on, Sylvia, when we have the smaller Ruck, goes up 3rd man over the top. As he has done before when we have played with 1 Ruck.

This gives us more agility around the ball, more run & more speed.

No no no. It gives us an exhausted midfielder with a good chance of injury losing EVERY ruck contest, rather than a tired ruckman giving us some ball use.

[dee-luded 2,959]

No no no. It gives us an exhausted midfielder with a good chance of injury losing EVERY ruck contest, rather than a tired ruckman giving us some ball use.

Well we've dunn it before many times, & it didn't cause injuries. The only one who hurt someone as I recall, was when I think Howe did it, & got one of ours. I can't believe you can't remember us using this strategy. We've done it so many times.

[stuie 7,374]

Well we've dunn it before many times, & it didn't cause injuries. The only one who hurt someone as I recall, was when I think Howe did it, & got one of ours. I can't believe you can't remember us using this strategy. We've done it so many times.

Not by choice,

And I personally guarantee you we will have two ruckman selected on Thursday, most likely Martin and Spencer.

I'm not always right, would never say that unlike some other posters here, but I'll bet you a footy pie we'll name two talls.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Not by choice,

And I personally guarantee you we will have two ruckman selected on Thursday, most likely Martin and Spencer.

I'm not always right, would never say that unlike some other posters here, but I'll bet you a footy pie we'll name two talls.

Yes we did by choice.

You've forgotten when the Russian would ruck on his own, with minor cameo support?

And your personal guarantee as well, go for your life. It's not how I would select the side in those conditions.

[stuie 7,374]

Yes we did by choice.

You've forgotten when the Russian would ruck on his own, with minor cameo support?

And your personal guarantee as well, go for your life. It's not how I would select the side in those conditions.

So if the selection committee pick 2 ruckmen they're wrong and you're right?

[dee-luded 2,959]

So if the selection committee pick 2 ruckmen they're wrong and you're right?

No, it's not how I would do it.

You can go many ways, to get the balance you want.

It's the conditions that need the most respect up there. Being able to run out the game. Survival in that soup is the key.

[monoccular 17,607]

Well we've dunn it before many times, & it didn't cause injuries. The only one who hurt someone as I recall, was when I think Howe did it, & got one of ours. I can't believe you can't remember us using this strategy. We've done it so many times.

And we have had such a lot of success in those games too??!! Edited July 16, 2012 by monoccular

[3Dee 1,153]

Sellar is great in defence, although I cringe when he is played up forward (looks lost).

[dee-luded 2,959]

And we have had such a lot of success in those games too??!!

Play the Talls.

I want to draft good kids, so play the talls, play all 3.