Bate will play his 100th this weekend if he's named. Out of 9 games this season he's really only played well against the Dogs and the Giants.

Might find himself with the green vest this weekend.

McQueen I was at the Brisbane game IMO he was far from our worst.

McQueen I was at the Brisbane game IMO he was far from our worst.

And that's saying something old dee.

And that's saying something old dee.

What I am saying is that there are five others that i would drop before Bate based on last sunday's game.

Phew... Tough week to call, many injuries, poor form in both AFL and VFL... But for mine, I think it's time for some chances to be extended.

So in saying that, here's a stab at it on a week where anything could happen (guessing with injuries):

OUT:

McDonald (inj), Spencer, Dunn, Moloney.... Roughie OUT: Bail (Reckon he'll get another week to find form)

IN:

Jamar, Jones, Couch, Gysberts (sub)... Roughie IN: Cook (Would rather him come in when either Clark or at least Green are around as 1st option)

I have a sneaking suspicion that with a big win against GWS followed by an interstate game, Jamar and Jones may have been rested for the higher attention game this week and will be straight back in.

Actually wouldn't be surprised to see Davis come in for McDonald.

Moloney stays. Gysberts worth a try. Cook needs a bag before inclusion..at least one bag of 4 or 5. Rather have Petterd(before Couchy) in at this stage.

Connors sacked, dustin martin suspended (season the rumour) they mustve played up majorly!!

thats about 6 outs this week for richmond, ripe for the picking

Since you posted this an hour ago and there is still no official announcement, then I would suggest you really have no idea... it may well turn out that this is the outcome, but please don't present speculation as fact.

And please don't say they are "ripe for the picking"... every time we become complacent because the opposition is under strength, we get hammered.

Since you posted this an hour ago and there is still no official announcement, then I would suggest you really have no idea... it may well turn out that this is the outcome, but please don't present speculation as fact.

And please don't say they are "ripe for the picking"... every time we become complacent because the opposition is under strength, we get hammered.

Hi Hardtack I think that has more to do with how good ( used the word loosely ) the Dees are then any thing to do with the opposition

Says lots about us that we as supporters keep hoping things go wrong with the other team that might improve our chances.

Sad really what it says about the Dees quality

Hi Hardtack I think that has more to do with how good ( used the word loosely ) the Dees are then any thing to do with the opposition

Says lots about us that we as supporters keep hoping things go wrong with the other team that might improve our chances.

Sad really what it says about the Dees quality

So true OD, so true :-)

Old, your thoughts on starting Jamar at FF, Cook CHF, Martin Ruck this week against a lacking Richmond backline and Ivan?

i for one dont mind the idea of Jamar starting in the square and coming into the game in bursts. Eases him back in a fashion.

I think hes not as bad as some seem to think in the marking dept . some have forgotten a day out against the cats some years back.

He'll make a reasonable target and poor mans ff for now, changing with Martin .

i for one dont mind the idea of Jamar starting in the square and coming into the game in bursts. Eases him back in a fashion.

I think hes not as bad as some seem to think in the marking dept . some have forgotten a day out against the cats some years back.

He'll make a reasonable target and poor mans ff for now, changing with Martin .

very easy to forget a one day-out, less easy to ignore consistency eh?

very easy to forget a one day-out, less easy to ignore consistency eh?

the point was Jamar is off seen by some as unable about the shoulders when in fact hes an ok mark and capable goal kicker. Never a 1st choice for the square but a handy fill in of sorts .

We HAVE to improvise

the point was Jamar is off seen by some as unable about the shoulders when in fact hes an ok mark and capable goal kicker. Never a 1st choice for the square but a handy fill in of sorts .

We HAVE to improvise

agree he can be an ok mark, but disagree he is a capable goal kicker. as i said very easy to forget a one-off because that is all it was

For me it's

IN: Davey, Green (got to get him to 250!), Jamar, Jones, Strauss

OUT: Bate, MacDonald, Magner (for a rest if anything), McDonald (inj), Spencer

FB: Farwley, Rivers, Nicholson

HB: Watts, Sellar, Strauss

C: Moloney, McKenzie, Trengove

HF: Howe, Dunn, Green

FF: Martin, Garland, Davey

FOLL: Jamar, Grimes, Jones

INT: Blease, Sylvia, Tapscott, Bail (s)

EMERG: Bate, MacDonald, Magner

agree he can be an ok mark, but disagree he is a capable goal kicker. as i said very easy to forget a one-off because that is all it was

How many players have kicked 5 goals in a game for us since The Russian did it vs the Blues at Etihad that day? Not many I'd suggest. If Carlton can persist with pretending Hampson and/or Kreuzer are forwards then surely its worth us trying out for at least a couple of quarters again. I quite like the way Martin throws himself at everything when playing in the ruck, he didnt do too badly on Sunday considering he hasnt played much this year.

How many players have kicked 5 goals in a game for us since The Russian did it vs the Blues at Etihad that day? Not many I'd suggest. If Carlton can persist with pretending Hampson and/or Kreuzer are forwards then surely its worth us trying out for at least a couple of quarters again. I quite like the way Martin throws himself at everything when playing in the ruck, he didnt do too badly on Sunday considering he hasnt played much this year.

I think he was our best player DD

How many players have kicked 5 goals in a game for us since The Russian did it vs the Blues at Etihad that day? Not many I'd suggest. If Carlton can persist with pretending Hampson and/or Kreuzer are forwards then surely its worth us trying out for at least a couple of quarters again. I quite like the way Martin throws himself at everything when playing in the ruck, he didnt do too badly on Sunday considering he hasnt played much this year.

I don't mind if the russian has extended rests in the forward pocket. i just don't expect him to kick a bag

I don't think martin is much of a ruckman either. not bad but not good. he probably is capable of picking up more possessions around the ground though than jamar has this year

YMMV

FB: Jetta Frawley Nicho

HB: Watts, Rivers Garland

C: Moloney, McKenzie, Trengove

HF: Howe, Martin, Sylvia

FF: Green, Dunn, Davey

FOLL: Jamar, Grimes, Jones

INT: Blease, Magener, MacDonald,

Sub Tapscott

I'd prefer Dunn and Martin in the forward line to begin the game, than Rivers and Garland. Green and Davey will help with our goal scoring problems and Sylvia usually likes to get a few against the tigers.

FB: Jetta Frawley Nicho

HB: Watts, Rivers Garland

C: Moloney, McKenzie, Trengove

HF: Howe, Martin, Sylvia

FF: Green, Dunn, Davey

FOLL: Jamar, Grimes, Jones

INT: Blease, Magener, MacDonald,

Sub Tapscott

I'd prefer Dunn and Martin in the forward line to begin the game, than Rivers and Garland. Green and Davey will help with our goal scoring problems and Sylvia usually likes to get a few against the tigers.

I am being a bit lazy but who did you drop?

I am being a bit lazy but who did you drop?

Tom McDonald out injured, and Spencer and bate are omitted

In: Green, Davey and Jetta

I am being a bit lazy but who did you drop?

Looks like Spencer, Bail, McDonald (inj), Sellar (poss inj) and one more (edit: oh yes, Bate)?

Tom McDonald out injured, and Spencer and bate are omitted

In: Green, Davey and Jetta

Did you miss Bail as he is not there.

I Agree he is not AFL standard

OUT - Magner (rest - looks tired), McDonald (inj), Sellar (inj), Spencer

IN - Jones, Jamar, Couch & Cook to debut

One of Rivers or Garland to go back.

Cook to play at FF and then maybe subbed depending on how he is playing

Couch to start sub

FB: MacDonald, Frawley, Nicholson

HB: Watts, Rivers, Blease

C: Howe, McKenzie, Bail

HF: Trengove, Garland, Sylvia

FF: Dunn, Cook, Tapscott

FOLL: Martin, Grimes, Jones

INT: Jamar, Bate, Moloney Sub: Couch

OUT - Magner (rest - looks tired), McDonald (inj), Sellar (inj), Spencer

IN - Jones, Jamar, Couch & Cook to debut

One of Rivers or Garland to go back.

Cook to play at FF and then maybe subbed depending on how he is playing

Couch to start sub

FB: MacDonald, Frawley, Nicholson

HB: Watts, Rivers, Blease

C: Howe, McKenzie, Bail

HF: Trengove, Garland, Sylvia

FF: Dunn, Cook, Tapscott

FOLL: Martin, Grimes, Jones

INT: Jamar, Bate, Moloney Sub: Couch

I don't understand why you dropped Bate and left Bail in.

Surely cannot be on performances from Last Sunday

Out: McDonald (inj), Sellar (inj), Spencer, Moloney

In: Cook, Couch, Jamar, Jones

FB: Nicholson Frawley Tapscott

HB: Watts Rivers Macdonald

C: Bail Jones Trengove

HF: Magner Garland Howe

FF: Blease Cook Sylvia

Foll: Jamar McKenzie Grimes

Int: Martin Dunn Couch

S: Bate

Amazing with the little bit of luck we could have this game. Richmond have so many outs , a fully fit dees could really have a crack this week, but no clark tmac and still unsure over Jones and Jamar and its not looking good

I hope we put Frawley to Riewoldt, hes killed him before and i hope we dont tinker with Watts or anything else stupid

Saying that:

out spencer tmac In Jamar and anyone and hopefulyl Jones and Davey are back

Since you posted this an hour ago and there is still no official announcement, then I would suggest you really have no idea... it may well turn out that this is the outcome, but please don't present speculation as fact.

And please don't say they are "ripe for the picking"... every time we become complacent because the opposition is under strength, we get hammered.

Gee I was reading this thread and looking for an apology to Brey9186 Hardtack. Can't seem to find it?????

Maybe he has fallen off his high horse..