Very frustrating that these two young Captains, arent leading the way.

Young or not, they were chosen as captains and must do alot more.

If Watts and Green are always copping criticism, then these two deserve just as much if not more.

So far this year you'd swearJones was the captain the way he has been attacking it.

It doesn't matter who has the title of captain, because it's clear who our real on-field leader is. Mitch Clark I'm sure is commanding the respect of his team-mates and taking the pressure off our two young Jacks, who are now really just captains in name only.

It maybe says something that they both started on the bench, it wouldn't surprise me to see Trengove at Casey next week. It might just take a bit of pressure off him, needs to happen with some sensible press release. I.e "We treat all our players equal, and its jacks' turn to go back and find some form"

Couldnt beleive they both started on the bench.

It maybe says something that they both started on the bench, it wouldn't surprise me to see Trengove at Casey next week. It might just take a bit of pressure off him, needs to happen with some sensible press release. I.e "We treat all our players equal, and its jacks' turn to go back and find some form"

Sending JT to Casey would only increase the attention on him which would result in an increase of pressure on him. He won't be dropped...there are a few that are in line for that well ahead of him.

Hurry up and make Mitch the captain.

In defense of Grimes he is trying to get back into the game after a ordinary run of injuries. I almost worry Trengove is trying too hard because he feels he has to prove the validity of his captaincy. Too young for mine. needs to concentrate on his game.

Are we going to have to put up with threads like these every week?

The two Jacks are learning on the job. Don't expect Voss and Hird in their third and fourth years of football.

They have been picked to grow into the role. Get used to it!

I actually though they were both pretty good today.

I actually though they were both pretty good today.

ummmm.......no

It's a terrible mistake that Neeld has made. As I wrote in his thread in the locker room - he put blind faith in players during preseason, and has been made to look like a fool.

Easy in hindsight, and I didn't nominate him, but Jones is our Captain. Only bloke in 6 games this year that could walk away with a pass mark in each game.

ummmm.......no

They were our top two ball-winners. You can't say that's not a drastic improvement.

Trengove got 21 possessions, 3 most in the team. But, yes, he had little impact. Trenners is too good a player too keep this form. Remember he is still developing despite his captain tag

Everyone is acting like Jones is the new Robbie Flower because he crumbed a few goals last week. I've got no doubt Clark is the best on field leader at the moment and Jones is certainly having a dip, but why does that mean we have to attack Grimes and Trengove who stand out as players and as leaders.

Grimes is getting back to form. He certainly still attacks the ball and rebounds as good as any defender on our list. He'll start to tighten up defensively with more games and a better team. He's also getting moved around a bit for the sake of the team.

Trengove on the other hand is getting bashed for remarkably little. How did Montagna go last week? Did he towel us up as he usually does, or was he somewhat restricted by Trengove. I think it was the latter.

They were our top two ball-winners. You can't say that's not a drastic improvement.

i love both of them, and think they were great choices for captains, but Trengove is horribly out of form and Grimes still makes some horrendous errors. i have no problem giving them time, as the are only 20ish, but they weren't good today.

Everyone is acting like Jones is the new Robbie Flower because he crumbed a few goals last week.

It's not because of last week. It's not even because he is or isn't good. It's because he's the most inspirational guy that we could have for captain.

If Jones maintains the season he's had thus far, I'd like to see him named Captain for season 2013.

Look it's a tough one. None of last year's leaders deserved captaincy. Our seniors players from last year are PATHETIC.

Grimes and Trenners basically got the job because there was literally noone else.

But now they are the captains.

And they show ZERO on-field leadership.

It's a very big problem

I'm still happy with these 2. They were far from our worst today. Especially with Grimes, I'm not sure what more people were expecting in terms of on field performance.

Unless you said pre-season that Mitch Clark should of been captain, which I didn't hear a single person say, then STFU. Worse than retrospective drafting.

They are both growing into the role and in the fullness of time I believe Neeld's decision will be proven to be the right one. The criticism of Trengove especially is a bit hard to cop given the performances of some other far more experienced players in the side today. Jones is giving great support as a member of the leadership group, as did Frawley today and Clark as well.

Both played reasonably well. JT was pretty good .No problems in the Captaincy dept?

JT has not been great this year, but thought he was okay today ran out the game well and is one who actually runs to support his players.

He got a lesson in hard work last week from Lenny Hayes and on face value today took something from it. Will stay in on todays performance, Grimes still finding form and coming along okay,

Both will grow into the role

It's not because of last week. It's not even because he is or isn't good. It's because he's the most inspirational guy that we could have for captain.

Retrospective captains Jones and Clark .

Stupid, stupid, bloody stupid playing them from the bench at the start. They are supposed to be leaders and showing the way from the beginning. I'm starting to think WTF is up with Neeld.

I initially thought Beamer for Captain, Clarke for VC and Trengove for DVC. Now i think Clarke as Captain with Jones as VC and that's it.

There's no other players out there who stick their hands up pretty much every week and give us something, regardless of the opposition or the scoreboard. That's the mark of leadership IMO. Performing and leading by example under adversity.

Trengove and Grimes just need to be allowed to play and learn and grow as young developing up and coming footballers without the extra "expectation" burden that comes with being a captain. Not too early for Neeld to change this around. First year coach, should be allowed a few early blunders and adjustments on the run i reckon. And who was to know we were gonna get this kind of output and leadership from Clark in the heat of the battle? Born leader i reckon.

Get off their backs and let them get on with it, FFS.

And it was completely ridiculous to start them both on the bench. How are they supposed to inspire from there???