I'm not suggesting it as a long-term measure. It'd be a stopgap at best. We're hurting bad for onfield leadership, we've identified it clearly. But something similar - experienced player on the outskirts, although flawed - is almost certainly what we should be looking at to help the blokes onfield.

IMO Neeld will recruit some 23 - 25 year olds with developed bodies who are AFL standard players

Magner is a an example of what can be found in the football wilderness

We have a large void of this type of player and it hurts us every game we play

Brock is no longer up to it and was really surprised Carlton thought he was

Aim higher son, I hear Tingay wants back!

Now THAT is someone I would love to see play again. If only...

...........Agree. And given Richmond had 65 inside 50s and monstered us in the clearances, Miller with 2 gimmes out of 3 goals hardly impressed why would should have kept him.

The main difference between then and now surely is that someone has told him he is allowed to stop and kick when in range - immediate handball is not a requirement. He got the pill enough when with us, just wouldn't / couldn't kick it. Poor coaching or structure?

OMG....is this a serious post or sarcasm??????

IMO Neeld will recruit some 23 - 25 year olds with developed bodies who are AFL standard players

Magner is a an example of what can be found in the football wilderness

We have a large void of this type of player and it hurts us every game we play

We lack class in the midfield.

We have Magner,Couch and Moloney to provide the grunt. Meat and veg midfielders are fine but lets not overload on it.

The main difference between then and now surely is that someone has told him he is allowed to stop and kick when in range - immediate handball is not a requirement. He got the pill enough when with us, just wouldn't / couldn't kick it. Poor coaching or structure?

No. He kicked one goal from a gimme and then took a mark 20 metres out and converted. Maybe he can tell Clark you dont play on from a mark 15 to 20 metres out

Gee there are a lot of ppl here who are quick to slag off posters coming up with ideas. Just cos you don't agree with the idea doesn't mean you need to resort to ridicule.

If you look at form in the VFL last year Magner got recruited but Brock performed very well, and as Striker said he is on a list with one of the best damned midfields in the comp. Barely any of our midfielders would be playing ahead of who Carlton have in there.

My recollection of the last 6 months or so that Brock played with us was that he was constantly struggling to get his body right for the rigours of playing AFL, (and we weren't at AAMI so still had the junction oval as our facilities) and his form was reflected in this too.

Strongest memory of his time with us was the amount he spent @ debt demolition to help out the club.

It's not the worst idea that I have heard Striker, but I suspect we have recruited.... or have similar players to Brock currently playing on our list. ie. Magner, Couch, Jones, Moloney.

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by Oucher

I couldn't believe our luck when Carlton paid what they did for McLean. Doesn't bring in anything we need to our midfield now.

Thanks for the laugh to that guy who said he offered the leadership we need though.

I thought I saw the same thing. Tom didn't have a great day, unfair to put that one on Riv.

Good to see some people were actually watching. Rivers gets a bagging on here from some who obviously weren't there or have no idea.

Pick him up as a Magner-like rookie and he'll be good to go. Otherwise, he's probably not worth it.

I know, he's a bloody tortoise and we're hurting for pace. But he was 2nd to Magner in the VFL last year and is still clearly playing well despite simply not being wanted by the Blues. Clearly on the outer at Carlton. Will have a year left on the deal, but we have so much cap space it wouldn't matter.

Offer them our bottom pick in the draft and bring him back? It'd be a role model for the young mids to look up to.

Captain of the magoos. Could he would he just teach?

yucko, no thanks

No mention of Shane Valenti??

I do not want either, and especially do not want a bloke you just decided he did not want to play for our club. For someone who is labelled as having leadership qualities, i'm not sure I want any of our current players to follow.

Please remove this thread before someone from the club see it and thinks its a good idea.

What a shocking thread - clearly the person who started this was on the sauce at the time!

I'm trying to remember who we got with the draft pick we got for him. It was Gysberts wasn't it at 11. Wouldn't swap that deal for anything. Let's hope he picks up once he's back from injury.

Bring back Miller!

Although the notion of bringing him back is pretty silly, i dont think we should have let him go. He was a leader and could have helped the club over the last few "junior-less" seasons

Bring back Miller!

Bring back Junior.

Would rather Valenti than Brock anyday of the week.

Except tuesday.

Although the notion of bringing him back is pretty silly, i dont think we should have let him go. He was a leader and could have helped the club over the last few "junior-less" seasons

In what way was he a "leader"? I think you're stuck in the perception everyone had of him in his first few years.

He ditched us didnt he to go to Carlton? Probably saw wheels falling off then but didn't realize the souped up engine he was bout to walk into. Wasted talent like one T Johnstone but clearly to slow

Anyone know what Travs up to these days?

Not a role model I'd like in the team we're clearly trying to move on wouldn't you say

We definitely don't have enough midfielders who aren't good enough to get a game at decent teams.

We lack class in the midfield.

We have Magner,Couch and Moloney to provide the grunt. Meat and veg midfielders are fine but lets not overload on it.

No. He kicked one goal from a gimme and then took a mark 20 metres out and converted. Maybe he can tell Clark you dont play on from a mark 15 to 20 metres out

True and there is no doubt our biggest void is class

It is why we turn the ball over so much

I wasn't just referring to the midfield and used Magner as an example

Although the notion of bringing him back is pretty silly, i dont think we should have let him go. He was a leader and could have helped the club over the last few "junior-less" seasons

We didn't "let him go", he chose to leave and join Carlton......

We got a pretty good deal as he was traded for a first round pick (11 or 12'ish from memory).

But I'm pretty damn sure he was not sacked or released by the the Dees, he chose to leave this club for another one.