I was there yesterday and it still looks as though we lack the creative half back. Grimes was far too worried by Rockliff and Voss outcoached us well in that facet. The small forward role is still up for grabs with Davey showing no more than a timid 1st gamer, a new CHB as Rivers is beginning to look slower every year and can't play 1v1. And an outside mid is what we should target next trade week. A slick, quick, well skilled outside man like a simpson who can deliver well into the fwd 50. Still though, we have players in he ranks but looking at the moment we need these guys now. Thoughts?

First rounders we should take the two best available mids + JV, then take a crumber with our 2nd round

The list needs to want the ball. It is all upstairs for me. Some of our older players should not play again. They will harm the young kids.

Neeld & co have a bigger job than even they bargained for.

Heart. Spine. Toughness. Just to start. To compete using our bodies.

Then add the class.

get some blokes with the passion, desire and will to be successful and get ride of the rest

There's something else going on here

The stink emanating from our playing group just can't be put down to bad drafting or bad coaching

Or can it? Something is drastically wrong. Players are going backwards, no leadership, no fighting spirit, no desire, no stars, no good skills, no brains.

This group is totally demoralised. I have no idea why but it is becoming a recurring nightmare

We now have a new coach, new and more assistant coaches, some of best training facilities in the comp and yet we go backwards

I give up, I feel this sense of hopelessness now more than at any time in the last 5 seasons

C'mon players give us something, just anything to feel positive about

We need gonadal fortitude!

You want to know why we lost yesterday? It's really very simple.

Clearances and spread.

At the clearance we rarely had someone on the move and hunting the ball.

Then if we did win a stoppage we didn't have a spread that was good enough to open the game up.

Fix the stoppage and spread problem from yesterday and it will go a long way to wining.

All the adjectives and emotion is secondary fundamentals lost the game yesterday.

I expect the coaching staff to run the tapes in revision and ensure the players understand how poor the setup was.

There's something else going on here

The stink emanating from our playing group just can't be put down to bad drafting or bad coaching

Or can it? Something is drastically wrong. Players are going backwards, no leadership, no fighting spirit, no desire, no stars, no good skills, no brains.

This group is totally demoralised. I have no idea why but it is becoming a recurring nightmare

We now have a new coach, new and more assistant coaches, some of best training facilities in the comp and yet we go backwards

I give up, I feel this sense of hopelessness now more than at any time in the last 5 seasons

C'mon players give us something, just anything to feel positive about

I agree there is something weird going on and well hidden from the bulk of supporters. Whatever stink it is, it was there last season and the season before. And perhaps even back to when the likes of White, Robbo and co were starting to be shoehorned out of the club.

You want to know why we lost yesterday? It's really very simple.

Clearances and spread.

At the clearance we rarely had someone on the move and hunting the ball.

Then if we did win a stoppage we didn't have a spread that was good enough to open the game up.

Fix the stoppage and spread problem from yesterday and it will go a long way to wining.

All the adjectives and emotion is secondary fundamentals lost the game yesterday.

I expect the coaching staff to run the tapes in revision and ensure the players understand how poor the setup was.

To do that we need players who want to hunt the ball...a lot of our list has been well paid to do not nearly enough...

we have to be ruthless now...and that does not exclude communication...The players are human, but the rocket must be fired this week otherwise the teacher will not have respect of the students.

Strength & size.

A lot of better players!

I agree there is something weird going on and well hidden from the bulk of supporters. Whatever stink it is, it was there last season and the season before. And perhaps even back to when the likes of White, Robbo and co were starting to be shoehorned out of the club.

common denominators over that time are connelly, schwab and the senior players.

anyone else?

Not much more to add.

What do we need? A miracle, because the next however many years of bottom 4 dwelling as evidenced by yesterday is going to see the end of the Melbourne Football Club. Yes, the signs are that bad. While we're not going to lose supporters, cos we're obviously a resilient bunch, what kid or new arrival to Melbourne would possibly want to support the club? As the media was previously been so keen to tell the world, before the great Jimmy performed his own miracle, we will become irrelevant faster than we might be prepared to admit.........

Sellar to CHB with Rivers 3rd man up for the spoil in 1v1 situations

Davey to be told that we are really struggling to find a spot for him in this team UNLESS he can provide us with some effective disposals from clearances as an outside mid. Move Moloney into a rotation with Jones and Magner as the inside mids.

Watts and Morton on the wings to give us some versatility in that position.

Trangove and Howe as HFF to move up the ground and use their overhead strength to maintain possession.

Couch in the FP to read the ball off the contest, put his head down and get it out of the pack and into the hands of a scorer.

I would start with those and go from there.

Sellar to CHB with Rivers 3rd man up for the spoil in 1v1 situations

Davey to be told that we are really struggling to find a spot for him in this team UNLESS he can provide us with some effective disposals from clearances as an outside mid. Move Moloney into a rotation with Jones and Magner as the inside mids.

Watts and Morton on the wings to give us some versatility in that position.

Trangove and Howe as HFF to move up the ground and use their overhead strength to maintain possession.

Couch in the FP to read the ball off the contest, put his head down and get it out of the pack and into the hands of a scorer.

I would start with those and go from there.

And with Tapscott, Gawn, McDonald, Troy Davis and Petterd available and busting a gut to get out onto the field.

I replied to a topic a couple of weeks ago saying I thought the younger players had left our senior players out to dry with their very little development over the years. But yesterday made me think that I was wrong. Our senior players are showing are younger players an insipid brand of football and a mediocre performance can be accepted as the norm. We need to see our younger blokes step up a bit and form a rat pack that sees the likes of Beamer,Davey and Green down at Casey because are unit of younger players are just too good. If not the senior players will be picked every week whilst our younger players just cruise along and not take the heat for this crap!

Simple maths: Uninspiring senior players + just cruise along young players= Brisbane 17 17 119 Melbourne 11 12 78

We really need a superstar. A player that always plays well no matter what. When was the last time we had one of those??

We really need a superstar. A player that always plays well no matter what. When was the last time we had one of those??

Flower. Seriously.

A miracle

Water into wine stuff

We need to start putting our heads over the ball and defending stoutly.

That will take a while on its own

Matt Rendell maybe?

Making the most of the compo picks in this year's draft is crucial to the club going forward.

we seem to have tin man, a scarecrow and a wimp lion playing for us at the moment so how about

some brains, a bit of heart and big hit of courage

Matt Rendell maybe?

Making the most of the compo picks in this year's draft is crucial to the club going forward.

If only it was that easy.