The Scullduggery Thread

[sue 9,156]

He's gone!

Get on with this group who want to play with us.

Unleash hell in Round 13.

How can you say 'unleash hell in round 13' when we play GWS while at the same time asking us all to drop the topic! Sounds like the topic is of some interest to you.

In a boring off-season the GWS scandal offers something of interest. Obviously what happens at the MFC is our main concern, and maybe we are victims of a GWS publicity-at-all-costs machine, but anything that pushes the AFL towards honest conduct in future is important, especially since most of their motivations are driven by $.

[Sir Why You Little 37,247]

Couldn't disagree more.

We're over the fact that Scully's done a runer but that doesn't mean these grubs should be let off the hook.

Correct. The AFL would just love it if we all just forgot about this whole sordid affair. I want to find out the truth so it does not happen again.

[Range Rover 1,935]

while he may not have sent the runner out with explicit instructions, its widely accepted that most ex-player coaches train their charges to play in their own style...e.g chris scott adding a hard edge to the cats or the lions being overhyped under voss lol

sheedy was a dirty player who turned into a dirty coach who teaches young players to play the game dirty...still get angry when i talk about michael long running through troy simmonds in the gf and just have to hope that the youngsters who make a break for freedom back to vic are able to do so without any permanent hang ups

I've seen this sentiment posted a few times by posters on this site and my reaction is always ... why didn't someone run through Michael Long on that fateful day? Or put Dean Wallis on his backside?

Sheedy may be a snarky, vengeful [censored] but the fact is he was able to develop premiership sides with a ruthless, win-at-all-costs attitude. If that meant breaking a few noses and intimidating the opposition youngsters, so be it.

We would do well to take a leaf out of that playbook because our nice-guy attitude has heretofore gotten us nowhere.

[Sir Why You Little 37,247]

I've seen this sentiment posted a few times by posters on this site and my reaction is always ... why didn't someone run through Michael Long on that fateful day? Or put Dean Wallis on his backside?

Sheedy may be a snarky, vengeful [censored] but the fact is he was able to develop premiership sides with a ruthless, win-at-all-costs attitude. If that meant breaking a few noses and intimidating the opposition youngsters, so be it.

We would do well to take a leaf out of that playbook because our nice-guy attitude has heretofore gotten us nowhere.

Couldn't agree more. I do not condone what Essendon or Michael Long did. But who flew the MFC flag that day apart from the Ox?

A very poor days coaching for Neale Danniher that day, considering he too was coached by sheeds.

[rolly 149]

I've seen this sentiment posted a few times by posters on this site and my reaction is always ... why didn't someone run through Michael Long on that fateful day? Or put Dean Wallis on his backside?

Sheedy may be a snarky, vengeful [censored] but the fact is he was able to develop premiership sides with a ruthless, win-at-all-costs attitude. If that meant breaking a few noses and intimidating the opposition youngsters, so be it.

We would do well to take a leaf out of that playbook because our nice-guy attitude has heretofore gotten us nowhere.

there's ways to play the game tough and ways to play the game dirty...a player like mitch robinson straddles the line and players like mckenzie plays the game harder than most but to my knowledge has never been suspended or even reported.

i agree whole-heartedly that michael long should not have been allowed to leave that incident without claret spraying everywhere but that would be retaliation rather than instigation.

i mourn the loss of alot of the passion and fire of the 80's but there still needs to be the differentiation between hard but fair, and being a thug who plays outside the rules

[Redleg 41,793]

there's ways to play the game tough and ways to play the game dirty...a player like mitch robinson straddles the line and players like mckenzie plays the game harder than most but to my knowledge has never been suspended or even reported.

i agree whole-heartedly that michael long should not have been allowed to leave that incident without claret spraying everywhere but that would be retaliation rather than instigation.

i mourn the loss of alot of the passion and fire of the 80's but there still needs to be the differentiation between hard but fair, and being a thug who plays outside the rules

I was sitting very close to the Simmonds/Long incident and completely lost it. I was frothing at the mouth and was furious that no one bar the Ox came in to do anything. Ox as he will admit was pretty hopeless at squaring up. I was screaming for someone to knock Long out and of course nothing happened. I know I lost it but it was just a disgraceful incident by Long and I have never looked at him in the same way since. Oh how I wish Big Carl was on the field for us that day. Long would have been carried off like Simmonds. Thank God Simmonds was ok, he was unbelievably lucky.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I was sitting very close to the Simmonds/Long incident and completely lost it. I was frothing at the mouth and was furious that no one bar the Ox came in to do anything. Ox as he will admit was pretty hopeless at squaring up. I was screaming for someone to knock Long out and of course nothing happened. I know I lost it but it was just a disgraceful incident by Long and I have never looked at him in the same way since. Oh how I wish Big Carl was on the field for us that day. Long would have been carried off like Simmonds. Thank God Simmonds was ok, he was unbelievably lucky.

A certain Rodney 'Balls' Grinter wouldn't have let it slide, I'm sure.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,659]

I've seen this sentiment posted a few times by posters on this site and my reaction is always ... why didn't someone run through Michael Long on that fateful day? Or put Dean Wallis on his backside?

Sheedy may be a snarky, vengeful [censored] but the fact is he was able to develop premiership sides with a ruthless, win-at-all-costs attitude. If that meant breaking a few noses and intimidating the opposition youngsters, so be it.

We would do well to take a leaf out of that playbook because our nice-guy attitude has heretofore gotten us nowhere.

What Dean Wallis did was IMO even more disgraceful because he knew he was retiring and was untouchable. What happened that day was a premeditated massacre. I still feel sick when seeing Simmonds lying there and the Ox losing it and absolutely going ballistic at Wallis. Everyone appreciates a player that is hard at the ball but that day they crossed the line and I put the blame squarely on Sheedy.

[Sir Why You Little 37,247]

What Dean Wallis did was IMO even more disgraceful because he knew he was retiring and was untouchable. What happened that day was a premeditated massacre. I still feel sick when seeing Simmonds lying there and the Ox losing it and absolutely going ballistic at Wallis. Everyone appreciates a player that is hard at the ball but that day they crossed the line and I put the blame squarely on Sheedy.

I have often wondered what Danners & Sheeds conversations have been like since that disgusting day.

But sadly it gave Essendon their 16th while the MFC is still glued to 12. And that's what gets remembered.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,401]

Couldn't disagree more.

We're over the fact that Scully's done a runer but that doesn't mean these grubs should be let off the hook.

And just how are our thoughts and comments going to get them 'off the hook'? If they are not aware of our condemnation(eg reading this forum which I would doubt very much) then it is falling on deaf ears. Let's move on and breathe the fresh air created by Scully's departure.

[biggestred 5,195]

if long did that in todays game, he would get rubbed out for 18 weeks or so. disgraceful act.

what annoys me so much about the way the bombers went about it that day is that they were better than us anyway, and deserved to win - and were always going to - which made it all completely unnecessary.

[My TD 156]

We should've been ready for the thuggish onslaught but weren't.

They had physically beaten us up since the 80's and we looked totally surprised they were doing it to us again in a GF .

Essendon got done in the previous years prelim in an upset by Carlton , there was no way they weren't going to do averything in order to get the win against us .

For us not to be ready for it was digraceful coaching .

What I really didn't like about the Long incident was the game was well and truly over by then and of course , no reprocussion.

[7-UP 107]

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the first time i seen this, watch at ten seconds, after long bump simmonds he ask the umpire what for? Disgraceful!!!

[monoccular 17,627]

Sheedy may be a snarky, vengeful [censored] but the fact is he was able to develop premiership sides with a ruthless, win-at-all-costs attitude. If that meant breaking a few noses and intimidating the opposition youngsters, so be it.

We would do well to take a leaf out of that playbook because our nice-guy attitude has heretofore gotten us nowhere.

I well remember Daniher saying some time after that, that MFC sides would " er, umm, develop a er, umm, ruthlessness, er, umm, attitude" but it was all talk, no action.

I hate the Bummmers with a passion, even regardless of the Long and Wallis incidents, but the playing group was said to have got together aster losing th unlovable PF against the Cheaters and made their own pact .....'take no prisoners'.

I haven't really seen a MFC team with that sort of attitude since the 1950s and early 60s; the Northey teams dame close, but lacked the skills and firepower to quite pull it off.

Hopefully Neeld will instil a more positive attitude into the team, but ultimately it is up to each and every player, guided by the on field leaders (regardless if any named position eg captain etc).

[Redleg 41,793]

Not that there is anything funny in the incident, but you have to laugh at Lloyd, who runs in from behind, attacks the Ox and then backs off, as he turns around and is [censored] himself as he looks around to see if anyone is after him. Great player but became a bit of a sniper who didn't like it face to face.

[Damo 3,415]

Im surprised no one mentions that Essendon were grown men and we were all pretty young at the time. Sheedy's tactics were to rough us up and we didnt have any enforcers. I would hope we would have learnt a lesson or two from that match and just maybe Clark, Sellar Moloney and Tappie among others might be part of the answer.

[mollydee 22]

Not that there is anything funny in the incident, but you have to laugh at Lloyd, who runs in from behind, attacks the Ox and then backs off, as he turns around and is [censored] himself as he looks around to see if anyone is after him. Great player but became a bit of a sniper who didn't like it face to face.

I remember sitting in the old smoker's stand when Woewodin and an Essendon player were contesting the ball right in front of us . JohnnyHighPants made a beeline from the goal square . Fortunately , Woey saw the forearm and ducked so JHP took out his own player . He then turned and calmly trotted back to the goals , leaving his teammate out to it on the ground . I have had absolutely no respect for him since , I even turn him off on the telly.

[mollydee 22]

I remember sitting in the old smoker's stand when Woewodin and an Essendon player were contesting the ball right in front of us . JohnnyHighPants made a beeline from the goal square . Fortunately , Woey saw the forearm and ducked so JHP took out his own player . He then turned and calmly trotted back to the goals , leaving his teammate out to it on the ground . I have had absolutely no respect for him since , I even turn him off on the telly.

This was a home and away game .

[monoccular 17,627]

What is disturbing to me is the AFL appears to have lost its moral compass on this issue

Sorry to sound pedantic, but you are totally wrong.

They have never had a moral compass so they could not lose one.

This has all been the fantasy of an overpaid egotistic megalomaniac who will stop at nothing to get this up and running. For all I know they may be naming the GW$ stadium, wherever it is, Rooty Hill, Blacktown, Paramatta (who cares) after him.

[Sir Why You Little 37,247]

Im surprised no one mentions that Essendon were grown men and we were all pretty young at the time. Sheedy's tactics were to rough us up and we didnt have any enforcers. I would hope we would have learnt a lesson or two from that match and just maybe Clark, Sellar, Moloney and Tappie among others might be part of the answer.

In hindsight it is a shame the Club did not act quicker to find a new coach because to not even make the finals in 2001 really shows that ND was not going to make it to the pointy end. I liked Neale a lot, but as a club we did not learn and act after the 2000 punch out. In 2001 we should have had fire in the belly.

[dee-luded 2,959]

In battered heaven.

I haven't read this thread before now.

Was he in that Deliverance film aways back?

LoL.

[Sir Why You Little 37,247]

^^^ That Poster above is going on Facebook!!

Classic!

[monoccular 17,627]

Great work dee-luded.

Couldn't stop laughing - but they need some falafel as well out there, double deep fried of course.

And the end of day special should be the pot of Phat under the drain hole - unless he sneaks it off for himself, greedy bugger.

[monoccular 17,627]

In hindsight it is a shame the Club did not act quicker to find a new coach because to not even make the finals in 2001 really shows that ND was not going to make it to the pointy end. I liked Neale a lot, but as a club we did not learn and act after the 2000 punch out. In 2001 we should have had fire in the belly.

Yeah - I guess the yo- yo years enabled him to keep his job, but as always the benefit of hindsight says that he should have been moved on at the end of 2001.

Any geniuses here remember who was in the coaching market at that time - we can have a whole new hindsight cry if there were any guns who we missed out on.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

In battered heaven.

I haven't read this thread before now.

Was he in that Deliverance film aways back?

LoL.

Squeal piggy, wrrriiiiiiiiii!