Bad season for the Indigenous players

[Guest The Tweed Pig]

Not sure why these players need to be grouped together...

Why shouldn't they be ?

[Japaljarri 28]

I thought there was somthing going on with Aaron. To me he's looked down all year & without his usual spirit.

I hope he can work it out & come out well.

Just to clarify l only meant injury and form. No idea on anything else. l would suspect that one's own injury and form concerns would naturally lead to a greater self-focus and limit one's ability/time/focus on leading others. Perhaps just as applicable to the Skipper.

[old dee 23,858]

Brilliant effort in taking part of my post (and not all of it) to give you something to feed off. Which media outlet do you work at?

In no way am I saying that we should just keep them for 2 years so we can get rid of them. I'm saying that in 2 years, I'd expect them to secure a best 22 tag, but if they don't, then, and only then, would they have had long enough in our system to be moved on. I thin kmaking that decision this year is far too premature.

None.

I have gone back and re read it still seems a strange paragraph to me.

However if you think I have malined you I apologise.

I am Sorry!

[old dee 23,858]

As far as I can see the white fellas haven't been too crash hot either.

Not sure why these players need to be grouped together unless you're suggesting their shared cultural background, history or skin colour are the reason for their poor form?

Anyway, since you mentioned them, I'll give it a go:

Davey - Hasn't been helped with injuries but was probably close to being dropped in any case earlier in the year. Is a massively important player for us with his kicking which is why I'd rather get him behind the ball in defence and setting us up going forward rather than feeding off the crumbs of our non-existant key forwards.

Jurrah - Has that seemingly laid-back approach to the game that always comes in for criticism when he's not in form. Definitely needs to be taught to work harder to get more involved when we have the ball and to have an impact of some kind without the footy. I'd happily keep him at Casey for the rest of the season unless he shows massive improvement int he above pretty quickly. How'd he go last week?

Bennel - Shows flashes of class but has never put it together for more than fleeting moments. Not sure what kind of a contract he's on btu wouldn't be too worried about it not being renewed.

Jetta - I like his ability in close, tight spaces and that he also has a bit of pace to break away from congestion when he can. Needs to get more of the footy when he plays but I think there's some genuine talent there and am looking forward to seeing him play when injury free

Wonnaemeri - I have a real soft spot for him because I love good tacklers and the guys is a joy to watch when he is around the goals, especially his wild goal celebrations. But unfortunately that's not enough to warrant a spot in the side. When fit he seems to contribute to the side, but can't seem to stay fit for more than about a month at a time, which is disappointing and makes him unreliable.

Don't read anything into the grouping, think you are looking for something that is not there!

Other wise I Pretty much agree with you "Jacks"

Edited August 10, 2011 by old dee

[old dee 23,858]

I always like it when one of the comedy writers on this board add to a topic....Davey won the B&F in 2009, that was a season and a half a go, or doesn't that count, he was coming back from a long layoff last week, we haven't quite worked out were his 'best fit' is same with Jurrah, Bennell is learning all the time, just needs a bigger body, Jetta has had a bit of a bad run with injury,but when he gets his chance at least you get 100% each time, Wonna has had a terrible time with injury and personal issues.....let's wait and see shall we, like a a lot of other players on the list.......

Thanks for the complement I would like to think I could write good comedy.

However back to the Discussion.

- Davey So now he can play sub standard forever because he won the B&F 2 years ago?

- Bennell I do not see it

- Agree on Jetta but that is basically what I said.

- Wona, I appreciate all his injury etc problems, but how long do you go on with this it is now 3 years for a hand full of games.

His contract is up and I would want to see plenty of evidence he is commited before we offer another one.

[rpfc 28,719]

Thanks for the complement I would like to think I could write good comedy.

However back to the Discussion.

- Davey So now he can play sub standard forever because he won the B&F 2 years ago?

- Bennell I do not see it

- Agree on Jetta but that is basically what I said.

- Wona, I appreciate all his injury etc problems, but how long do you go on with this it is now 3 years for a hand full of games.

His contract is up and I would want to see plenty of evidence he is commited before we offer another one.

I agree that this is an innocent racial grouping but say your piece and move on.

You'd think that Davey, Bennell, Jetta, Jurrah, and Wonaeamirri were the reasons for our awful efforts this season...

[old dee 23,858]

I agree that this is an innocent racial grouping but say your piece and move on.

You'd think that Davey, Bennell, Jetta, Jurrah, and Wonaeamirri were the reasons for our awful efforts this season...

I am just answering a critic

and this is a thread about these players not one on the performance of the whole team.

However you are right they are not the entire reason for our poor form.

I am fairly sure I never said that they were!

[The Jacks 0]

Why shouldn't they be ?

The subject of the post refers to the players being "Indigenous" and I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. Am I missing something?

If we are simply looking at under performing players, or players who might not be good enough, that is definitely not an exhaustive list!

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

I think it is relevant to talk about them as a group especially when their individual or collective performances and/or mindset is not up to scratch for the most part. Because their people have been uniquely under privileged in Australian society they have required different handling from other footballers to enable them to succeed. The AFL recognise their unique circumstances and have supported them greatly. They themselves are close knit and refer to themselves as brothers and certainly see themselves as different to other Australians. Our club has made a big deal about how Davey is a leader and mentor to our indigenous players. And there has been plenty of articles on how the club has gone out of its way to help the likes of Jurrah and Aussie in ways that would never happen for others. In an ideal world they would be considered as just footballers plain and simple but this is not a reality in the current Australian society when it comes to being an Aboriginal no matter what they do.

Edited August 10, 2011 by america de cali

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think it is relevant to talk about them as group especially when their individual or collective performances and/or mindset is not up to scratch for the most part. Because their people have been uniquely under privileged in Australian society they have required different handling from other footballers to enable them to succeed. The AFL recognise their unique circumstances and have supported them greatly. They themselves are close knit and refer to themselves as brothers and certainly see themselves as different to other Australians. Our club has made a big deal about how Davey is a leader and mentor to our indigenous players. And there has been plenty of articles on how the club has gone out of its way to help the likes of Jurrah and Aussie in ways that would never happen for others. In an ideal world they would be considered as just footballers plain and simple but this is not a reality in the current Australian society when it comes to being an Aboriginal no matter what they do.

The AFL even have an Indigenous round, so I guess they see them as unique and special as well.

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

The AFL even have an Indigenous round, so I guess they see them as unique and special as well.

Thats right. As a club we haven't had much luck with these guys with the exception of Davey (until recently) and Whelan. But there's a hell of a lot of indigenous players around who are or were better than these guys. I guess we all pin our hopes on Jurrah becoming a superstar but currently he showing some of the wrong traits that let down many other exciting Aboriginal footballers in the past.

Edited August 10, 2011 by america de cali

[dee-luded 2,959]

Just to clarify l only meant injury and form. No idea on anything else. l would suspect that one's own injury and form concerns would naturally lead to a greater self-focus and limit one's ability/time/focus on leading others. Perhaps just as applicable to the Skipper.

Ah OK, I suspect a bit more actually, from my experience. He looked to be a bit off for some time, then he had that bad pullout, then went off injured. And looked to me, an extreme case of dispiritedness.

I hope he's OK, & on the way back. He's a nice fella.

[dee-luded 2,959]

As far as I can see the white fellas haven't been too crash hot either.

Not sure why these players need to be grouped together unless you're suggesting their shared cultural background, history or skin colour are the reason for their poor form?

Anyway, since you mentioned them, I'll give it a go:

Davey - Hasn't been helped with injuries but was probably close to being dropped in any case earlier in the year. Is a massively important player for us with his kicking which is why I'd rather get him behind the ball in defence and setting us up going forward rather than feeding off the crumbs of our non-existant key forwards.

Jurrah - Has that seemingly laid-back approach to the game that always comes in for criticism when he's not in form. Definitely needs to be taught to work harder to get more involved when we have the ball and to have an impact of some kind without the footy. I'd happily keep him at Casey for the rest of the season unless he shows massive improvement int he above pretty quickly. How'd he go last week?

Bennel - Shows flashes of class but has never put it together for more than fleeting moments. Not sure what kind of a contract he's on btu wouldn't be too worried about it not being renewed.

Jetta - I like his ability in close, tight spaces and that he also has a bit of pace to break away from congestion when he can. Needs to get more of the footy when he plays but I think there's some genuine talent there and am looking forward to seeing him play when injury free

Wonnaemeri - I have a real soft spot for him because I love good tacklers and the guys is a joy to watch when he is around the goals, especially his wild goal celebrations. But unfortunately that's not enough to warrant a spot in the side. When fit he seems to contribute to the side, but can't seem to stay fit for more than about a month at a time, which is disappointing and makes him unreliable.

Sensational Jacks. Exactly how I see it.

Agree about Wonna, I'd love it for him to come good, 'cause He has it in Bucketloads, but I just don't know if he has what it takes to get fully fit and Stay Fully fit... I really hope he does.

Go Wonna !

[dee-luded 2,959]

Perhaps as a mentor, but I don't think Whelan is coaching is he? I was trying to suggest that O'loughlin is actually pursuing a career in coaching. Not saying that Whelan couldn't do it, but:

1) the aim was to get a suitably qualified and capable coach who as an additional bonus could act as a mentor.

2) I like the idea of O'loughlin as I rated him as a player, 303 games, played at a team that was known for tough uncompromising footy, yet he had a good amount of flair, and tasted premiership success.

I heard someone say a little while back that O'loughlin had the potential to be the first Indigenous AFL coach one day. I can't recall who or when or where it was even mentioned.... but again, it could be worth a punt, and I think our assistant coaches will be reassessed at years end so why not ?

Whelan probably not Coaching,,,, but has played long enough, and hard enough, to Coach/Mentor anyone.

O'loughlin, Always loved him as a player, but our boys need to harden up from a Hard Cuz, more than just another coach who is the same race. O'loughlin has a higher profile, Bling, if thats important. I don't think it is, 'status', Important.

[e25 5]

Why shouldn't they be ?

Race really shouldn't be the determining factor.

I understand there's a double standard when heaping praise... but really, if you're going to have a discussion about soft small forwards, Maric has done enough to deserve a mention here.

[Captain Jack Jordan 32]

The facts are that all our Bros have fair excuses except Jetta and Bennell who are babies . Jurrah and Davey haven't been terrible either ,just down on their best .

Cant believe the moderators let this debate go on and stop some of the other harmless banter .

The best 22 Bros in the comp would always beat the honkeys .

[Dee Fan 3,247]

The facts are that all our Bros have fair excuses except Jetta and Bennell who are babies . Jurrah and Davey haven't been terrible either ,just down on their best .

Cant believe the moderators let this debate go on and stop some of the other harmless banter .

The best 22 Bros in the comp would always beat the honkeys .

Perhaps they should have an Indigenous v Honkey's round, how would that be viewed by the non footbaling public?

Is it racist to refer to White folk as Honkeys? Not accusing just asking that's all.

[dee-luded 2,959]

The facts are that all our Bros have fair excuses except Jetta and Bennell who are babies . Jurrah and Davey haven't been terrible either ,just down on their best .

Cant believe the moderators let this debate go on and stop some of the other harmless banter .

The best 22 Bros in the comp would always beat the honkeys.

LoL.

[old dee 23,858]

Perhaps they should have an Indigenous v Honkey's round, how would that be viewed by the non footbaling public?

Is it racist to refer to White folk as Honkeys? Not accusing just asking that's all.

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer

[Captain Jack Jordan 32]

Thanks for that deeluded - hilarious homeland of the honkey was Love Thy Neighbour .

Lets do best 22s

or Indigenous versus Invaders .

[Captain Jack Jordan 32]

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer

No it isn't White bread -because we are the majority in this country and are not in danger of persecution or discrimination .

No offense to persecuted whiteys .

Edited August 10, 2011 by Captain Jack Jordan

[dee-luded 2,959]

Thanks for that deeluded - hilarious homeland of the honkey was Love Thy Neighbour .

Lets do best 22s

or Indigenous versus Invaders .

It's all good, all a bit of fun. & a great show, twas.

[old dee 23,858]

On a number of threads on Demonland the subject of player performance gets raised.

without exception a large number of people defend those being discussed.

Now there is nothing wrong with having a varying view.

Except that a common theme appears

i.e They are not playing badly just down a bit this season or last few games.

Well guess what we have so far had 7 losses by 9+ goals

We have been beaten the last three weeks by 9 , 31 and 12 goals.

We only have 3 good players on the injury list.

Why cannot people see we have a large number of players that are not up to the task.

And some of them may never be.

They cannot all be going ok.

[Ouch! 2,266]

Whelan probably not Coaching,,,, but has played long enough, and hard enough, to Coach/Mentor anyone.

O'loughlin, Always loved him as a player, but our boys need to harden up from a Hard Cuz, more than just another coach who is the same race. O'loughlin has a higher profile, Bling, if thats important. I don't think it is, 'status', Important.

Fair argument, but 303 games, played alongside some great players in Lockett, Hall, erm Nick Daffy (kidding !!) but coached by Barassi, Roos, Eade. I suspect thats a fair pedigree... not to mention a premiership!

It's all speculation here of course, Whelan is a hard nut for sure, but is still one of our "old boys" which is a little bit too close to home at the moment, I think our club should bring experience and knowledge in from what other clubs do and learn from them as well.

[Captain Jack Jordan 32]

Something is holding them back....