Just thought about this a bit more...

OUT: Grimes, Jamar, Trengove, Bate

IN: Evans, Gawn, Martin, Macdonald

Wow we're in a maaaaaaajor crisis! GEE WHIZZ!!

OUT: Grimes, Trengove, Jamar... OUCH!!!! Check out them "outs"!!

IN: Martin, Evans (why not?? Killing it in VFL), Rivers (50/50 as reported)/MacDonald (if Rivers not fit)

OUT: Jamar (inj.), Trengove (susp.), Grimes (inj.)

IN: Martin, Newton, Jetta

Martin is the obvious replacement for Jamar and Newton as his chop-out. We won't win many hitouts so we will need Jetta and Bartram's tackling pressure around stoppages if we are to stand a chance at all.

sorry, but no, tackling pressure just got sidelined by the bloody tribunal

I'd be happy to see Evans come In, Why not? He's been In the best for Casey evry week just about.

Jamar is a champ and we are better having him in the side, but as long as Martin can come in create a contest and win his fair share, we should go ok, after all its when it hit the ground we did the real damage and Moloney will be as hungry as ever, there are more brownlow votes on offer.

With the forced changes:

In: Martin, MacDonald, Morton/Evans

Out: Jamar (inj.), Grimes (inj.), Trengove (susp.)

Martin has to play first ruck, we have no one else with Spencer out injured, Gawn nowhere near it, Fitzpatrick not good enough, and Campbell only just recovered from injury. Dunn holds his spot as the second ruck. This is an awful situation IMO, but what can we do?

MacDonald plays Grimes' role.

Hopefully we can appeal Trengove's suspension (if anything we should appeal the length, Campbell Brown got 2 weeks for deliberately elbowing Ward in the head FFS!), but if not, Morton may get a reprieve. However, there is a lot of talk about Evans, who I don't know a lot about. Maybe he will get his chance. Howe looked good a couple of weeks ago too. I'm not entirely happy with Morton coming straight back, but our hand is somewhat forced until Scully and McKenzie are fit.

OUT: Jamar, Grimes, Trengove, Bate

IN: Martin, Bennell, MacDonald, Cook

OUT: Bate, Jamar, Grimes, Trengove

IN: Newton, Martin, Bennell, Jetta/Evans/Macdonald (i cant decide)

OUT: Grimes, Jamar, Trengove

IN: Macdonald, Martin, Bennell

Sorry mate, i don't want to see bennell Or Morton in the side for at least a months penance. They've just got to learn to go harder for the pill. I thought you would know that, being a Whelan fan. If they don't learn it Now, they'll be rotten fruit.

according to the Herald Sun, Stef Martin hurt his ribs in the VFL on the weekend, and is unlikely to come up for the game...

unless they parachute Maxy or Campbell from the Casey reserves into the AFL, it will be Juice leading our ruck division on Saturday if Stef doesn't come up...

We will have 3 forced changes, I think we will line up

Tapscott Warnock Frawley

MacDonald Garland Davey

Green Moloney Jones

Sylvia Watts Petterd

Maric Jurrah Aussie

Martin Gysberts Bartram(Harvey Tag)

Evans Bail Dunn

Sub Bate

In MacDonald Martin Evans

With Grimes and Jamar now out injured and Trengove's unfair suspension team changes IMO need to be.

IN: Bennell, Gawn, MacDonald, Newton

OUT: Grimes (inj), jamar (inj), Trengove (susp), Bate (dropped for team balance only)

FB: Garland, Warnock, Bail

HB: MacDonald, Frawley, Tapscott,

C: Jones, Moloney, Green

HF: Petterd, Watts, Maric

FF: Newton, Jurrah, Wonna

FOLL: Gawn, Gysberts, Bartram

INT: Bennell, Davey, Sylvia

SUB: Dunn

EMERG: Jetta, Morton, Rivers

To early to bring Campbell in as he's only had 1 game with Casey reserves and Martin isn't a specialist ruckman so can't take the no 1 ruck role which leaves Gawn.

As for the back up ruck, we need someone a bit better in the ruck then Dunn who has the ability to play forward when not in the ruck and that leaves Newton, meaning Bate has to go for team balance.

Out: Trengove (for perfect tackling), Jamar (for being indispensable), Grimes (so he doesn't get cocky, thinking he can string more than 6 uninjured games together), Moloney (cos if you're being cruelled by the footy gods, then you might as well play along)

Possible Ins :Rivers (now we just know he's NOT gonna come up now) Martin (what, him too?), Spencer (OOPS), Fitzpatrick (hang on...), Campbell (is he on the playing list, or coaching staff?)

Real Ins: MacDonald (so he can hurt someone, and make us all feel better), Bennell and Morton (to give us someone to blame if North keep their habit of Dee-beatings) Evans or Nicholson (so we can unearth the next great hope and then debate their worth as trade bait over the next couple of years), Newton (and I NEVER thought I'd see myself write this!!!!)

Ins: Newton, MacDonald/Rivers & Jetta

Out, Jamar, Grimes & Trengove

Martin is unlikely to come up, Rivers is doubtful.

I would actually try Jurrah in the ruck. He has a great leap so could be competitive and if not the fall back is Newton and Dunn.

I would actually try Jurrah in the ruck. He has a great leap so could be competitive and if not the fall back is Newton and Dunn.

No, for the same reason as Watts. If we're going to have a sacrificial lamb - which is what a non-ruckman playing in the ruck is - then I'd prefer it not be someone so critical to the side. So it's Dunn, or perhaps as Red Sox suggested, Warnock in to the ruck for mine.

Gawn or Campbell surely have to come into the side. Only one game in the ressies for Campbell, but this is what he was recruited for. Rotate with Dunn.

If we don't think we can win this game then we may as well forfeit.

We will find out how good Moloney is this week without Jamar tapping it into his hands.

Players who think they've been hard done by...maric, bate, warnock, petterard...this is there chance to shine.

Bring in Newton or whoever is fit for our best available 22.

Gawn or Campbell surely have to come into the side. Only one game in the ressies for Campbell, but this is what he was recruited for. Rotate with Dunn.

We would have to elevate Campbell from the rookie list for him to play.

What odds is Jordie Mc making a comeback this week, similar to how the Eagles used Le Cras (in terms of game time). Adds grunt to the guts, and if we can get a solid 2 1/2 quarters out of him and then sub him off, would it be better than nothing?

I have absolutely no idea what changes are going to be made now that Jamar is out. I still believe that Evans will be promoted and get a game this week (as per my earlier post).

Out: Jamar, Trengove, Grimes

In: Gawn or Newton or Campbell, Evans or McKenzie, MacDonald or Bennell or Rivers. Any of these inclusions wouldn't surprise! Honestly think it will be Newton, MacDonald and Bennell.

We would have to elevate Campbell from the rookie list for him to play.

What odds is Jordie Mc making a comeback this week, similar to how the Eagles used Le Cras (in terms of game time). Adds grunt to the guts, and if we can get a solid 2 1/2 quarters out of him and then sub him off, would it be better than nothing?

I have absolutely no idea what changes are going to be made now that Jamar is out. I still believe that Evans will be promoted and get a game this week (as per my earlier post).

Out: Jamar, Trengove, Grimes

In: Gawn or Newton or Campbell, Evans or McKenzie, MacDonald or Bennell or Rivers. Any of these inclusions wouldn't surprise! Honestly think it will be Newton, MacDonald and Bennell.

This is exactly why we recruited him.

This is exactly why we recruited him.

I fully understand that, but I think some people may have forgotten he's "only" a rookie - hence why I posted that comment.

As soon as our rookie elevations have been announced, it will paint a clearer picture as to what we can expect to see for the remainder of the season. A couple of interesting decisions will be made.

Anyone know when we will announce these? My guess will be tomorrow at about 5:01pm.

You cant play blokes that have only played a half of footy in the VFL reserves for the year. If Martin is not fit We have to play Gawn

We would have to elevate Campbell from the rookie list for him to play.

What odds is Jordie Mc making a comeback this week, similar to how the Eagles used Le Cras (in terms of game time). Adds grunt to the guts, and if we can get a solid 2 1/2 quarters out of him and then sub him off, would it be better than nothing?

I have absolutely no idea what changes are going to be made now that Jamar is out. I still believe that Evans will be promoted and get a game this week (as per my earlier post).

Out: Jamar, Trengove, Grimes

In: Gawn or Newton or Campbell, Evans or McKenzie, MacDonald or Bennell or Rivers. Any of these inclusions wouldn't surprise! Honestly think it will be Newton, MacDonald and Bennell.

Billy2803 both Campbell and Mckenzie played half a game in the Casey reserves, I really think we are pushing the envelpoe to expect them to front vs north on saturday. Remember they are both coming back from long term injuries. Both are too good to risk for this week when we still have 15 weeks left. We are realy going to need both for the last dozen games so if that means going short the next two weeks so be it.

Gawn played well in the Casey reserves the week before he was average at best, This week in Casey seniors for mine.

That leaves us with a combination of Martin ( hope like hell he is fit ) Dunn, and Newton not great but the best of a bad situation.

Please not Bennell he has failed on numerous occasions, give Jetta a run ( he was an emergency last sunday ) or upgrade Evans or Nicholson

I fully understand that, but I think some people may have forgotten he's "only" a rookie - hence why I posted that comment.

As soon as our rookie elevations have been announced, it will paint a clearer picture as to what we can expect to see for the remainder of the season. A couple of interesting decisions will be made.

Anyone know when we will announce these? My guess will be tomorrow at about 5:01pm.

The biggest concern with him is that he's not 'Match fit' and hasn't had much game time to find touch. I thought he played more than a half, but not so maybe we can play him as the sub. Then he could come on to a pocket and pinch hit in the ruck.

IMO we'd still need to play both Newton/Martin or Newton/Gawn.

No, for the same reason as Watts. If we're going to have a sacrificial lamb - which is what a non-ruckman playing in the ruck is - then I'd prefer it not be someone so critical to the side. So it's Dunn, or perhaps as someone else suggested, Warnock in to the ruck for mine.

Post # 100 is the someone. Hope your enjoying the interest in all of this.

I'm leaning more and more towards Warnock being our 'best' option with Dunn. Seems to be far too many question marks on the alternatives.

How awful, but we hope for a contest at best and the midfield, especially at stoppages, will need to work as a unit to offset this huge loss of Jamar. Depending on Trengove and his availability we may get away with this against North but against the saints and blues it will have a huge impact.

Billy2803 both Campbell and Mckenzie played half a game in the Casey reserves, I really think we are pushing the envelpoe to expect them to front vs north on saturday. Remember they are both coming back from long term injuries. Both are too good to risk for this week when we still have 15 weeks left. We are realy going to need both for the last dozen games so if that means going short the next two weeks so be it.

Gawn played well in the Casey reserves the week before he was average at best, This week in Casey seniors for mine.

That leaves us with a combination of Martin ( hope like hell he is fit ) Dunn, and Newton not great but the best of a bad situation.

Please not Bennell he has failed on numerous occasions, give Jetta a run ( he was an emergency last sunday ) or upgrade Evans or Nicholson

I realise he is coming off a long term injury, but his body would be 100%, match fitness, maybe not so much. I'm asking if Jordie can play at 100% for 80% of a game. If he can, I think it's not a bad idea playing him and then subbiing him off. If he can only play 80% of the game at 80% intensity, there is no way I would risk him.

I totally agree about Campbell in terms of fitness, totally disagree at this stage about him being too good and needing him for the last dozen games though! We picked him up as a rookie, and a late pick at that. It was obviously an insurance thing to some degree and more a development person for our young talls. I didn't say we should pick him, I think it's highly unlikely he will get picked, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were to be considered.

This is all assuming Martin doesn't get up. If he does, he is an automatic replacement for Jamar.