Clash jumper 2011

[daisycutter 28,689]

Never thought I would say this mate

but you have my vote.

Now where is the first wind mill!

Tis a thing of beauty, tis it not old dee

Aggh . . . sigh . . . . get outta our way Vlad

[old dee 22,983]

Tis a thing of beauty, tis it not old dee

Aggh . . . sigh . . . . get outta our way Vlad

I would like to see him explain the Carton situation,

or perhaps his lap dog Mr. A

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

Update attachments (logos, emblem) and this would be my preferred

could live with that DC, i don't love it, but hey it's 1,000 times better than the white Rubbish.

It's obvious we do not HAVE to wear white, we have just not rocked the boat yet.

What coloursocks do you propose....Dark Blue or more Red??

[DeezMan 4]

could live with that DC, i don't love it, but hey it's 1,000 times better than the white Rubbish.

It's obvious we do not HAVE to wear white, we have just not rocked the boat yet.

What coloursocks do you propose....Dark Blue or more Red??

Has to be more red as it's the brighter colour?? UNLESS we go for a really light blue.

I have a feeling we'll be donning a predominantly white strip though...

[OPETH 0]

Schwab now saying white is not compulsory. Have a look at his Twitter

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

Has to be more red as it's the brighter colour?? UNLESS we go for a really light blue.

I have a feeling we'll be donning a predominantly white strip though...

"We'll Fight them on the Beaches" This is Line in the Sand stuff B)

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

Schwab now saying white is not compulsory. Have a look at his Twitter

AHA!!! Break through....i knew it. The AFL change with the Tide, at least this administration does!!! B)

[DeezMan 4]

Schwab now saying white is not compulsory. Have a look at his Twitter

Awesome.

[rpfc 27,642]

Look DC and I have butted heads for ages on this but for me, if you change the quernsey at all you may aswell make it the only 'other' one we have to wear.

So that red one won't do.

They will still make us wear a white one against Essendon, Crows, GC, etc.

And just so no-one accuses me of some sort of heresy, I agree that clash guernseys are required but if it is our home game - I would prefer we stay in the rooms or cop a fine than wear anything other than our NAVY blue jumper with a blood red yoke, blue shorts, and red socks.

[DeezMan 4]

Cam saying "no cartoon characters" tells me we are in for a treat!

Perhaps just a re-jigging of colors on our home jumper??

[daisycutter 28,689]

They will still make us wear a white one against Essendon, Crows, GC, etc.

who said we have a clash with GC? I don't see one.

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

who said we have a clash with GC? I don't see one.

That Gold Coast thing isn't a proper jumper anyway. Looks like the kind of thing a road construction Gang wears-We should never KowTow to that Rubbish!!

[Cam Schwab 27]

I thought it was worth clarifying a few things.

Firstly, it is the AFL who decrees the need for clash jumpers.

As far as I am aware, they have never stated that they need be white, although that is a preference, consistent with other sports, particularly in the US. You might remember a few years ago, St Kilda had a yellow clash jumper.

A red jumper still clashes with some clubs, which requires us to have three jumpers. In 2009 year we wore our traditional jumper, a red jumper and a white jumper. In 2010, we had the traditional strip, and the white jumper.

Red is therefore not an option. As far as I’m concerned, a predominately red jumper is still not a Melbourne jumper.

Simply, a clash jumper can’t clash. For the same reason, the royal blue Melbourne jumper doesn’t work, and given that we managed to wear the jumper for 12 years and not make finals, it is not held in any esteem.

Given the lack of contrast, we are required to add a non-MFC colour into the design, which is the most disappointing aspect of this issue. We have chosen white.

Personally, I don’t support clash jumpers, particularly for the original clubs. I think clashes are generally overrated. I don’t think people have difficulty with Melbourne vs Essendon/Carlton/Brisbane/Port, and now with Freo taking red out of their strip, I doubt whether that is now a clash. We will continue to argue this.

In some cases, clashes are the result of clubs changing their designs and/or new clubs entering the competition. This was an issue when I was at Freo, and the club happily created the white jumper, which was very popular with Freo supporters.

Collingwood is a non-issue in this debate, and a distraction. Apart from North, they are able to manage their situation with their alternate white back, black back options. Essendon is different, and they shouldn’t be exempted from any requirement to have an alternate strip although I can understand why they have stood firm. Unfortunately, we didn’t make this stand a few years back but neither did most clubs.

Our new clash strip will be predominately white; the design is far more traditional and will be released shortly. It has an MCC feel about it, remembering that the MCC colours are navy, red and white. No cartoon characters. We will argue for navy shorts, and we will also argue that we shouldn’t have to wear it often, if at all.

There you go.

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

^^^

Thanks for the clarifications....keep in the AFL's ear. It will be interesting to see what Essendon get up to next year.

[BAMF 3,809]

Thanks Cam. Really appreciate a response straight from the club.

[daisycutter 28,689]

That Gold Coast thing isn't a proper jumper anyway. Looks like the kind of thing a road construction Gang wears-We should never KowTow to that Rubbish!!

And as far as Essenscum go I suggest we wear our Home strip when we play them away

They did it us this year and there were no consequences or fines

Plus we played a few home games against them in recent years in our away strip

I reckon they owe us for at least the next decade in compensation

[45HG 1,539]

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Thank you very much, Cam.

[daisycutter 28,689]

Our new clash strip will be predominately white; the design is far more traditional and will be released shortly. It has an MCC feel about it, remembering that the MCC colours are navy, red and white. No cartoon characters. We will argue for navy shorts, and we will also argue that we shouldn’t have to wear it often, if at all.

There you go.

Thanks Cam for clubs perspective

I wish you luck with the navy shorts. As you know the NRL allow coloured shorts

This will go a long way to breaking up that "all white" from a distance look

Best of luck too on trying to reduce the number of defined clashes

[OPETH 0]

Schwabby's really good on the Twitter, his reply was awesome and is great to see his very in depth post, which clears everything up.

[DeezMan 4]

As other have said... thanks Cam.

I love Cam's fantastic communication with all those associated with the MFC - even gets on the Demons' fans forums!! We love it and appreciate it, Cam.

At least we now know that we haven't been forced to wear predominantly white - it's a board decision by the club. And I for one, like most of us here, will support whatever the club comes up with.

[rpfc 27,642]

I thought it was worth clarifying a few things.

This is such a pitch perfect post.

I really hope he took ages writing this post.

He gave both sides reason to buy into his position and didn't hide the fact that the result isn't ideal.

Take note kiddies when you are doing your VCE - have your viewpoint/decision but also point out, effectively, that good people can disagree and that there are always two sides to every argument.

Unless we are invading Iraq. Sorry to point that out but there are exceptions to every rule.

Except the 'exception rule' - that has no exception. Which backs up the rule as it is the exception to the 'exception rule.'

Follow?

[Sir Why You Little 34,938]

This is such a pitch perfect post.

I really hope he took ages writing this post.

He gave both sides reason to buy into his position and didn't hide the fact that the result isn't ideal.

Take note kiddies when you are doing your VCE - have your viewpoint/decision but also point out, effectively, that good people can disagree and that there are always two sides to every argument.

Unless we are invading Iraq. Sorry to point that out but there are exceptions to every rule.

Except the 'exception rule' - that has no exception. Which backs up the rule as it is the exception to the 'exception rule.'

Follow?

HaHaHaHa! You are a Gem rp, i always enjoy reading your beautifully crafted reads....

[daisycutter 28,689]

As other have said... thanks Cam.

I love Cam's fantastic communication with all those associated with the MFC - even gets on the Demons' fans forums!! We love it and appreciate it, Cam.

At least we now know that we haven't been forced to wear predominantly white - it's a board decision by the club. And I for one, like most of us here, will support whatever the club comes up with.

Did you support the boards decision when they decided to go silver?

Not disagreeing with your sentiments, Deezman but you should always keep a little in reserve

Yes Cam's communication was great, appreciated, comprehensive and to the point. No spin there.

I thought everyone (no matter what side of the fence) could take some positives from it

And its nice to think us bigoted keyboard heroes have a voice no matter how small

Its a great club to feel part of

[old dee 22,983]

Did you support the boards decision when they decided to go silver?

Not disagreeing with your sentiments, Deezman but you should always keep a little in reserve

Yes Cam's communication was great, appreciated, comprehensive and to the point. No spin there.

I thought everyone (no matter what side of the fence) could take some positives from it

And its nice to think us bigoted keyboard heroes have a voice no matter how small

Its a great club to feel part of

Well Daisycutter got up this morning to find all this.

Discussion over it would seem.

Looks like white again boys.

Just crawl back into my hole and worry about our cricket team.

Carn the Dees!

[daisycutter 28,689]

Well Daisycutter got up this morning to find all this.

Discussion over it would seem.

Looks like white again boys.

Just crawl back into my hole and worry about our cricket team.

Carn the Dees!

old dee, it was always going to be white, at least for the short/medium term. I am a realist underneath

I thought there were plenty of positives though

1. Navy shorts (maybe). This has a big impact on % of white

2. Reduced number of clash definitions (maybe) working towards none

3. No cartoon like graphics

I would consider these significant "wins", but then I'm a glass half-full kinda guy

I wonder if my email prompted the response

It was good to get such a comprehensive explanation of the club's thinking. For a long time we have laboured over a lack of detail both from the AFL and the club, so we have had to speculate on a lot of issues. At least now we have a better framework for future discussions.

I look forward to the release of our new clash jumper. Then might be a good time for further robust discussion, eh.