Dees don't look so bad now?

[e25 5]

Actually, you're right.

Keep bleating about not bein content with bad losses.

If you keep doing it things are bound to change.

[Sir Why You Little 37,053]

Actually, you're right.

Keep bleating about not bein content with bad losses.

If you keep doing it things are bound to change.

Sure, well let's hope so...Because Remember..."Failure Requires no Preparation"

So if nothing changes at least i will know that you are satisfied. That's a comforting thought!

[e25 5]

Sure, well let's hope so...Because Remember..."Failure Requires no Preparation"

So if nothing changes at least i will know that you are satisfied. That's a comforting thought!

I never said that.

Now you're making assumptions.

[bing181 9,246]

Sure, well let's hope so...Because Remember..."Failure Requires no Preparation"

So if nothing changes at least i will know that you are satisfied. That's a comforting thought!

You've made your point ... in fact, you made it 3 posts back ... now you're just repeating yourself.

People see things differently.

[demons27 1]

For the keen observers, they've also won 100% of the games they've won.

That's 100% funny

[Kit Walker 225]

It was shite, but the performance of the bombers also provides some perspective for all the panic merhcants.

Personally, I didn't enjoy our match against Adelaide, but I'm content with the outcome.

Unfortunately a shocking performance is not made less shocking by another team being equally inept.

The sole shining light is that it should give us belief we will win this weekend. More of a glint than a sunburst though to be honest....

[titan_uranus 25,020]

I'm with Kit Walker.

Just because another team got spanked by Adelaide doesn't change anything about our performance a week ago. It was insipid.

[e25 5]

Words like 'insipid' are too strong, but that is the trend.

Merely it was a timely reminder for those who treat every bad loss as if we are the only team bad enough to suffer them.

It is a reality of football that teams get soundly beaten from time to time; developing teams moreso than others.

[titan_uranus 25,020]

Words like 'insipid' are too strong, but that is the trend.

Disagree that insipid is too strong a word. Often it's used out of place but our performance against Adelaide was nothing short of insipid.

[e25 5]

Disagree that insipid is too strong a word. Often it's used out of place but our performance against Adelaide was nothing short of insipid.

Meh.

It wasn't good enough to win against a team in better form.

Mistakes were made and they will provide valuable experience.

If you remove emotion from the equation it is quite reasonable.

Considering the state of our team, losses like this should be expected.

[Sir Why You Little 37,053]

I'm with Kit Walker.

Just because another team got spanked by Adelaide doesn't change anything about our performance a week ago. It was insipid.

I agree. My impression is that a few things inside the Footy Dept. are not quite going to plan, and a little "tweaking" is needed-nothing drastic-but it looks like the other sides have us good and worked out right now.

So we have to work out new strategies.

[Sir Why You Little 37,053]

I never said that.

Now you're making assumptions.

The only assumption i am making is, that i am worried you are content with Insipid performances like the adelaide game, a game where Jack Trengove was directing senior players for part of the time.

Jack is class yes, but there are way too many passengers away from the MCG on our list-so to be content is just not right 25.

But you are entitled to an opinion mate

[e25 5]

The only assumption i am making is, that i am worried you are content with Insipid performances like the adelaide game, a game where Jack Trengove was directing senior players for part of the time.

Jack is class yes, but there are way too many passengers away from the MCG on our list-so to be content is just not right 25.

But you are entitled to an opinion mate

It's been that way for years.

Until JT is regularly giving directions we will continue to be poor.

Turning the corner involves these young kids becoming the players leading the way.

I am at peace with bad losses because I know & accept they will occur.

Ranting and raving won't change a thing.

It doesn't mean I am happy to accept consistently poor performances, merely that I understand the nature of improving as a football side.

Like all things in life it comes down to a simple principle: cause and effect.

[jayceebee31 761]

Can't agree with that. Not all the Team is Young-we have many senior players in our current side.

Opposition sides all have young players too .

Our Team attitude is not right-10 years of losing on the road & you are content?

Maybe the players are like that because they know they can get away with it. "oh the supporters won't mind-they are content"

Interesting thought that....

Major problem that has been there since Neita reired, is the lack of quality leadership in our senior group. I have got into heaps of arguments regarding this matter- but I repeat that I feel we are in very short demand .McDonald has turned out to be a good leader- on the field and off it. Green may make it- however, our leadership overall- I repeat IMO- is currently quite week.However, I have no doubt that with Jim Plunkett -ex Carlton taking the team on leadership issues over the last two years will indeed make the next bunch - more than adequate. Grimes, Trengove etc.. seem very matured young men for their age and definately show excellent personal skills both on & off the field already. This to be is what we lack right now- and again with development will be there shortly.To me- it was virtually not there against Adelaide.

[Nasher 33,616]

Like all things in life it comes down to a simple principle: cause and effect.

Indeed. Good post. We all know and have come to accept the cause, but so many people still can't make the connection between the cause and the effect.

It's only when the cause is unknown that there is any reason for worry in my eyes.

[Sir Why You Little 37,053]

Indeed. Good post. We all know and have come to accept the cause, but so many people still can't make the connection between the cause and the effect.

It's only when the cause is unknown that there is any reason for worry in my eyes.

Cause & Effect is exactly right-The Effect a bad Loss has on our younger kids when our Older "leaders" go missing is bad. The Effect being our young kids full of potential see Mediocre performances & bad Habits during a game creep in.

That is the Effect that worries me.

I know very well the long term goals-But at present we have hit a wall and some adjustments need to be made.

[45HG 1,558]

I know very well the long term goals-But at present we have hit a wall and some adjustments need to be made.

Like...

[e25 5]

Cause & Effect is exactly right-The Effect a bad Loss has on our younger kids when our Older "leaders" go missing is bad. The Effect being our young kids full of potential see Mediocre performances & bad Habits during a game creep in.

That is the Effect that worries me.

I know very well the long term goals-But at present we have hit a wall and some adjustments need to be made.

Just like what happened to Geelong and Hawthorn pre-2007..?

St Kilda during the majority of the 00's?

Losing happens.

Worrying about the effect of losing and developing a winning culture^TM are a fallacy.

Edited July 7, 2010 by E25

[jayceebee31 761]

Taking into consideration the amount of injuries we have had this year to players we needed to put time into such as Jurrah, Tapscott, Blease etc..our development has still continued by playing 36 players at this time(hope I have counted correctly-if not someone will surely correct me) with still- Tapscott, McNamara, Maric, Jurrah - I think will mostly play games this year thus leaving only, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Blease and Belly to not play a game this year.If one assumes that Bell may still play a game before leaving the club (I think- most probable) and Blease ,still a good chance -this would make it 42 players whom may play this year.This is quite an incredable amount of players given opportunities to be developed. Therefore, consistancy cannot be expected till we gain say, 26/28 players whom play together reguarly.This will happen over the next couple of years.

This above is part of our growing pain.

Edited July 7, 2010 by jayceebee31