Your word is your honour Redleg. Crikey!

Until the AFL had the salary cap the bags of money did not breach any AFL rules did they?

As Mo said only the tax office would be interested. The cash was viewed as presents from happy fans.

Was out to dinner last night with a number of Blues fans, made it hard to eat my meal. The interesting thing was that to a man they wanted Ratten gone. They all felt he can't coach and has no game plan. They even suggested they would look at Malthouse which i think given the deal he has with the Pies will come to nothing. Mick has five years of big money coming his way and for the last three won't even have to coach.

Great to see trouble in the Blues camp. I just love it.

In fact, Chris Judd has a habit about being around clubs that have this sort of culture... maybe behind scenes he isn't the great leader he is portrayed to be.

Think your drawing a long bow there

He isnt a leader like Sticks

IMO Judd plays for Judd and does that very very well

Must admit its really hard to feel sorry for the Blues

Brock must be wondering if he joined Carlton FC or Carlton United Brewery

Think your drawing a long bow there

He isnt a leader like Sticks

IMO Judd plays for Judd and does that very very well

Must admit its really hard to feel sorry for the Blues

Brock must be wondering if he joined Carlton FC or Carlton United Brewery

A very very long bow.

I wasn't serious about that, although I do like the idea of sticking my boot in while they are down.

Edited December 23, 200915 yr by Keyser Söze

A very very long bow.

I wasn't serious about that, although I do like the ida of sticking my boot in while they are down.

lol yeah it does feel good

now they have another incident with a young rookie

Brock must be wondering if he joined Carlton FC or Carlton United Brewery

It's probably the main reason why he joined Carlton.

People keep saying there but for the grace of god and that it easily could happen to us. That it has happened to us and that it was not so long ago we had issues with Neita, Colin, Brock, Nathan Carroll and others. That it happened with Collingwood, Geelong, Essendon ... most if not all the others. And we did something about it. So did most of the others.

But what's happening at Carlton is almost primeaval. While all of the other clubs introduced education and responsibility, and weeded out the no-hopers, Carlton never treated it as seriously. Not even when it was begrudgingly forced to offload its second most important playing commodity because his drunken fuelled antics (inter alia) embarassed, infuriated and humiliated its most important playing commodity (not to mention trashing the entire club before these neanderthals even woke up).

The problem, as it often does, lies at the top. For starters, the idea that Kernahan is going to address his players on drinking and responsible social behaviour on their return on 4 January is surely a joke. Sticks was completely out of his depth at the Fevola farewell press conference as he was grilled by the media over sexual harassment issues alleged against his former forward and fairly hazy on most else during the proceedings. But in front of his own boys we can only wonder at what point he's going to get up and sing, "Stand by Your Man" and when he's going to look straight into his mens' eyes and tell them "We're Carlton, f#$@& the rest!" Remember, this is the club president who, it is said after a loss to Fremantle on the Gold Coast this year, recommended some bonding in the traditional way - with a booze up. Little wonder that the boys decided to initiate 19 year old Levi Casboult, barely a week into the club as a rookie, by getting him shickered senseless on last week's river cruise. 

The thing is you're not going to get rid of this curse by way of a stern  lecture from Sticks (most won't understand it anyway). There's a lot more. Proper leadership, discipline, respect and dedication to the cause. I'm not sure they have what it takes over there because the "We're Carlton, f#$@& the rest" philosophy seems to have come home to roost.

As Mo said only the tax office would be interested. The cash was viewed as presents from happy fans.

Was out to dinner last night with a number of Blues fans, made it hard to eat my meal. The interesting thing was that to a man they wanted Ratten gone. They all felt he can't coach and has no game plan. They even suggested they would look at Malthouse which i think given the deal he has with the Pies will come to nothing. Mick has five years of big money coming his way and for the last three won't even have to coach.

Great to see trouble in the Blues camp. I just love it.

Pre 1990s, the ATO had a paper bag over its head and no idea about the "black" economy. That dinner must have made you feel you were with MFC supporters.

Brock must be wondering if he joined Carlton FC or Carlton United Brewery

Given the culture and their weakness in defence, I think Nathan Carroll would have fitted in there perfectly.

In fact, Chris Judd has a habit about being around clubs that have this sort of culture... maybe behind scenes he isn't the great leader he is portrayed to be.

That would be the same Judd who was suspended for eye gouging. Now there'e a man's man. He and the Blues are a perfect fit.

Belting them in the years to come and watching the look on Judd's face as Scully, Trengove, Grimes et al cut them to pieces is going to be as sweet as it comes.

There has been for quite some time a swagger and air of superiority about Carlton, that they are above the rest of us common muck. Think its hilarious that its all crumbling around them. They obviously cant get the messages to stick with their players. . I too ask wheres the great man Judd..and coach in all this... very conspicuous by their silence.

ahh couldnt happen to a better bunch of tossers.. such a culture......all mouldy !!!!!!!!!!!!

seems only timely to remind all

just gets smellier by the day !!

loving this. I HATE Carlton

Oh dear they sure know how to woop it up..

"A TEENAGE Carlton rookie was handcuffed or bound to another player and forced to down copious drinks in the Blues' booze-fuelled end-of-year celebrations.

Levi Casboult, 19, was barely conscious when his family came to his rescue.

The drinking game, in which Casboult was urged to go one-for-one with the older player, happened on a $100-a-head booze cruise that may have have cost the Blues a $1 million sponsorship deal."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captive-c...o-1225813309312

Leadership, culture and responsibiliity...The spirit of Fev lives on.

"They know we're coming......."

I feel sorry for Levi, not so much because he was forced into a situation like this (I imagine this kind of thing happens at every club) but more so because his Dad had to come pick him up and then spoke to the media. He'll never live it down.

As for the rest of the story, I don't think any of my christmas presents this year will out-do this one.

Thankyou Carlton and Merry Christmas to you too.

They are fast becoming a laughing stock and I for one am delighted

I feel sorry for Levi, not so much because he was forced into a situation like this (I imagine this kind of thing happens at every club) but more so because his Dad had to come pick him up and then spoke to the media. He'll never live it down.

And 'barely conscious'?

He'll never live down his reputation as a lightweight either!

Carlton said it will take a few players to make up for Fevola's loss. Looks like the whole side is trying to make up for it!

Carlton said it will take a few players to make up for Fevola's loss. Looks like the whole side is trying to make up for it!

SNAP.

SNAP.

Laugh at your own peril. Fact of the matter is that the Carlton boys are into serious training. Right at the moment several of them are fighting for right to wear Fev's coveted # 25 guernsey and they're all making a great fist of it. Sticks is over the moon!

These are my three favourite lines from the article in the Sun.

1. From one of the managers of the cruise boat "the players were making real [censored] of themselves, they were drunk as skunks".

2. The players were fighting each other.

3. The players continued to abuse each other as they left the boat.

Apparently they've just rung the AFL to ask if they can trade for Andrew Lovett.

Apparently they've just rung the AFL to ask if they can trade for Andrew Lovett.

Apparently, Lovett was too frightened to come to the phone.

Apparently, Lovett was too frightened to come to the phone.

So Walker went to Lovett's cell and punched him in the face. Houlihan was busy doing her hair.

Laugh at your own peril. Fact of the matter is that the Carlton boys are into serious training. Right at the moment several of them are fighting for right to wear Fev's coveted # 25 guernsey and they're all making a great fist of it. Sticks is over the moon!

if u want to rave on about how good and awsome carlton are go to carlton bored.. at demonland we go along the lines as something like this.. We F%$in hate those motherf##ers from visy!! :angry: :angry:

cannot stand them one bit!!

Edited December 24, 200915 yr by dazzledavey36

at least a lovett not on there list, hes suspended indefinetly,go to the news, PS im not a topic starter

Apparently they've just rung the AFL to ask if they can trade for Andrew Lovett.

Did you know about Lovett's recent indiscretion when you posted that..?

Prophetic.

Makes it all the more comical, even if we shouldn't laugh.