what with simon buckleys apparent amazement at the different workloads, and indeed work rates, of north melbourne and Collingw&%$ compared to us.

Just watch Collingwood's clanger count rise next year if Buckley gets a game for them.

Just watch Collingwood's clanger count rise next year if Buckley gets a game for them.

That maybe so - but is irrellevant to this thread.

I'm sorry but I am going to need more than a post from 'hollywood' over at Ology to convince that 1) Buckley actually said these things, and 2) that there is a problem with a differing workloads.

And what would Simon know about training workloads?

He was fit for about two months last year.

Do not know- as stated as per Hollywood's post on Demonology

Don't believe everything you read.

Don't believe everything you read.

Agree & noted,but I believe it.

I have watched our pre seasons for nearly 20 years now and I have thought our last two were pathetic. This years has been brilliant so far. Better planned and executed.

Quite frankly, some of the crap you read here is a bit hard to take.

We're two and a half to three months into the pre season and most of the players who are coming out of rehab are reportedly doing well, there have been two injuries worth reporting, Strauss and Wonaeamirri, both of them short term. Wona is susceptible to hamstring injuries, never had them at home in the warmer climate and needs to learn how to manage his body to avoid them in future.

If you believe some of the so-called experts around here, it's time for a royal commission into eveything at the club that ticks. FFS everything seems to be on an even keel at the club. Let's be thankful for the fact that 95% are fully fit and that it stays that way. Injuries are often cyclical, the tough times come and go. Let's hope they've gone and not act like drama queens because a player suffers a 4 week injury in December.

Quite frankly, some of the crap you read here is a bit hard to take.

We're two and a half to three months into the pre season and most of the players who are coming out of rehab are reportedly doing well, there have been two injuries worth reporting, Strauss and Wonaeamirri, both of them short term. Wona is susceptible to hamstring injuries, never had them at home in the warmer climate and needs to learn how to manage his body to avoid them in future.

If you believe some of the so-called experts around here, it's time for a royal commission into eveything at the club that ticks. FFS everything seems to be on an even keel at the club. Let's be thankful for the fact that 95% are fully fit and that it stays that way. Injuries are often cyclical, the tough times come and go. Let's hope they've gone and not act like drama queens because a player suffers a 4 week injury in December.

I agree! With all the positive things going on at the moment it seems that people still need to find negative things to say!

Quite frankly, some of the crap you read here is a bit hard to take.

We're two and a half to three months into the pre season and most of the players who are coming out of rehab are reportedly doing well, there have been two injuries worth reporting, Strauss and Wonaeamirri, both of them short term. Wona is susceptible to hamstring injuries, never had them at home in the warmer climate and needs to learn how to manage his body to avoid them in future.

If you believe some of the so-called experts around here, it's time for a royal commission into eveything at the club that ticks. FFS everything seems to be on an even keel at the club. Let's be thankful for the fact that 95% are fully fit and that it stays that way. Injuries are often cyclical, the tough times come and go. Let's hope they've gone and not act like drama queens because a player suffers a 4 week injury in December.

Yes agreed. Let's accentuate the positive. Players like Sylvia, Rivers and Maric and fully involved in pre season training. Blease and Garland are only 18 and 21 yo and are on graduated rtw's. What the MFC are doing over the next 2-3 years is building up a list of approx 30 players who are good enough to play senior football.

If you believe some of the so-called experts around here, it's time for a royal commission into eveything at the club that ticks. FFS everything seems to be on an even keel at the club. Let's be thankful for the fact that 95% are fully fit and that it stays that way. Injuries are often cyclical, the tough times come and go. Let's hope they've gone and not act like drama queens because a player suffers a 4 week injury in December.

Sorry, but injuries are definitely not cyclical - they are either random due to luck, or a result of poor preparation / physical maintenance / injury management / etc.

Sorry, but injuries are definitely not cyclical - they are either random due to luck, or a result of poor preparation / physical maintenance / injury management / etc.

So Mr. Spacey, you would attribute Melbourne's low injury rate over the pre season to date to random good luck or good preparation/maintenance/management etc?

So Mr. Spacey, you would attribute Melbourne's low injury rate over the pre season to date to random good luck or good preparation/maintenance/management etc?

Certainly luck has played a part - I can't say about the rest.

But to say it is cyclical is inherently wrong.

Certainly luck has played a part - I can't say about the rest.

But to say it is cyclical is inherently wrong.

A friend was one of the Collingwood medics earlier in the decade. He says that the job was fairly simple in 2002 and 2003 when the club went through a quiet period with injuries. From week to week hardly any key players missed with injury or illness and he could sense confidence at the organisation rising as it was able to put its best team out on the field on a weekly basis. The team made and lost the grand final in each of those years and ironically, suspensions hit them more than injury in the end.

Call it random, cyclical, what goes around comes around, whatevever you want but the CFC then sufferred two shocking years with injury after injury, soft tissue, breaks etc. The lot! There had been no changes made to any of the medical practices adopted after 2003 but by 2005 the Pies were tanking their way to a priority pick.

I agree with Spirit. There's much ado about nothing going on. These days clubs monitor things medically very well. Let's stop being pedants and worry warts.

A friend was one of the Collingwood medics earlier in the decade. He says that the job was fairly simple in 2002 and 2003 when the club went through a quiet period with injuries. From week to week hardly any key players missed with injury or illness and he could sense confidence at the organisation rising as it was able to put its best team out on the field on a weekly basis. The team made and lost the grand final in each of those years and ironically, suspensions hit them more than injury in the end.

Call it random, cyclical, what goes around comes around, whatevever you want but the CFC then sufferred two shocking years with injury after injury, soft tissue, breaks etc. The lot! There had been no changes made to any of the medical practices adopted after 2003 but by 2005 the Pies were tanking their way to a priority pick.

I agree with Spirit. There's much ado about nothing going on. These days clubs monitor things medically very well. Let's stop being pedants and worry warts.

Excellent post.

For the sake of the Mfc, let's just hope the planets align for a prolonged period of good fortune.

A friend was one of the Collingwood medics earlier in the decade. He says that the job was fairly simple in 2002 and 2003 when the club went through a quiet period with injuries. From week to week hardly any key players missed with injury or illness and he could sense confidence at the organisation rising as it was able to put its best team out on the field on a weekly basis. The team made and lost the grand final in each of those years and ironically, suspensions hit them more than injury in the end.

Call it random, cyclical, what goes around comes around, whatevever you want but the CFC then sufferred two shocking years with injury after injury, soft tissue, breaks etc. The lot! There had been no changes made to any of the medical practices adopted after 2003 but by 2005 the Pies were tanking their way to a priority pick.

I agree with Spirit. There's much ado about nothing going on. These days clubs monitor things medically very well. Let's stop being pedants and worry warts.

When did CFC take over the Lexus Centre- I thought it parallels with your point- in 2003.Maybe the change to Lexus Centre parallels also to us going to Casey.

Another interesting factor is in 2002 & 2003 they finished 2nd, 2004-13th, 2005-15th ,2006-7th

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by jayceebee31

So Mr. Spacey, you would attribute Melbourne's low injury rate over the pre season to date to random good luck or good preparation/maintenance/management etc?

They're not doing full on body training with game practice and tackling etc. Its all about building the fitness base at this point.

If some of you who does not think injuries has taken affect on our football team since 2007 ,please read this,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/demon...from=public_rss

and just look at the ones they emphasis -Bell -whom hasn't given a welp since 2007 due to injury for

example and WOW- look at Moloney and his great improvement this year since getting over injury.

Injuries have been a major factor,in particular to key players, - in my opinion to our current situation over the last two years along with over half our list has changed since this time.

Edited December 21, 200915 yr by jayceebee31

So you have managed to deduce that injuries are bad for players.

Surely that information should be included in the Royal Commission into our injury management that must be undertaken.

We can longer accept mediocrity!! :angry:

Edited December 21, 200915 yr by Axis of Bob

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Agree & noted,but I believe it.

I have watched our pre seasons for nearly 20 years now and I have thought our last two were pathetic. This years has been brilliant so far. Better planned and executed.

I take this statement back after the news today- I started this thread back in mid December- now we here we have several players injured just on the start of a new season. Jamar, Spencer, Meeson, Bate, Garland, Wonaeamirri, Davey Johnson are being mentioned today as currently injured. One still has to ask as I did at the start of this pre season -Is it the grounds or bad management. Hey we have had far to many injuries at the start of a season for 3 years now- this is becoming un acceptable

I take this statement back after the news today- I started this thread back in mid December- now we here we have several players injured just on the start of a new season. Jamar, Spencer, Meeson, Bate, Garland, Wonaeamirri, Davey Johnson are being mentioned today as currently injured. One still has to ask as I did at the start of this pre season -Is it the grounds or bad management. Hey we have had far to many injuries at the start of a season for 3 years now- this is becoming un acceptable

I was surprised when I read this ( Mfc website)...I thought we were injury free!!!!

I was surprised when I read this ( Mfc website)...I thought we were injury free!!!!

When I first made this thread I came into a windful of abuse ridicule etc.. now I say what is your thoughts now???

Is it any coincidence that the ruckman are being groomed to be these running mobile DEAN COX type players, 200cm 110kg players running like midfielders. It's no wonder they are breaking down.

This bad luck can't continue, To look on the bright side it's better to get them out the way now than mid year.

I take this statement back after the news today- I started this thread back in mid December- now we here we have several players injured just on the start of a new season. Jamar, Spencer, Meeson, Bate, Garland, Wonaeamirri, Davey Johnson are being mentioned today as currently injured. One still has to ask as I did at the start of this pre season -Is it the grounds or bad management. Hey we have had far to many injuries at the start of a season for 3 years now- this is becoming un acceptable

This response is severly off putting and contains no new injuries (other than Bate recovering from some foot soreness). Jamar, Meeson, Johnson, Davey and Bate are all recovering from post season surgeries, so thus the reason for them to be considered on the "injured" or on the out of action list. Spencer was simply crook/ill. Garland and Wonaemirri have all had some hicups during their recovery, but I disagree 100% with your suggestion that we have far too many injuries at present. I'd content that we're in a better position (injury wise) than almost every other club.

during preseason training i expect that players are training hard, possibly harder than they run out some matches, the whole point is to get them fitter now than they need to be to play round one, so its not a surprise that some players need to take it easy some weeks.

anyone exercising regularly knows that you pick up sore muscles and niggles along the way. as a result you need to back off for a couple of weeks or even just a few days to let the body recover.

we don't appear to have picked up any new soft tissue injuries so I'm not sure what you are suggesting?

This response is severly off putting and contains no new injuries (other than Bate recovering from some foot soreness). Jamar, Meeson, Johnson, Davey and Bate are all recovering from post season surgeries, so thus the reason for them to be considered on the "injured" or on the out of action list. Spencer was simply crook/ill. Garland and Wonaemirri have all had some hicups during their recovery, but I disagree 100% with your suggestion that we have far too many injuries at present. I'd content that we're in a better position (injury wise) than almost every other club.

Fair enough. But it's hard to keep the faith when:

(1) Our current crop of injuries are all of the type that are completely preventable - foot stress fractures & hammies;

(2) All 4 of our specialist ruckmen who have played an AFL game have a preventable injury which has made them unable to participate in full training, and is likely to keep them all out of full training until at least the start of the season.

This is not a position that other clubs are in.

Edited January 29, 201015 yr by Akum

When I first made this thread I came into a windful of abuse ridicule etc.. now I say what is your thoughts now???

No abuse here. MFC have had a shite run with injury since the end of 06'.

Now a spate foot stress fractures/problems recently, its weird..

Is it any coincidence that the ruckman are being groomed to be these running mobile DEAN COX type players, 200cm 110kg players running like midfielders. It's no wonder they are breaking down.

Basketballers that big run up and down on a wooden floor at full tilt..

Plus its only happened, in number, to us. (The D. Cox foot problem originated when a teammate stepped on it.. think it was Kerr..)

Could this be a lingering problem from using pathetic facilities all these years?

I Remember that new russian(?) fitness/physio- whatever he is, mentioning that he had to re-teach a fair few how to exercise correctly, from the ground up, so to not cause injury down the track due to incorrect form, etc..

Maybe the advice was to late for some?