'Shifter' Sheehan names his top 30

[frawley for captain 0]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tab...06/default.aspx

Ryan Bastinac

Aaron Black

John Butcher

Jake Carlisle

Jesse Crichton

Ben Cunnington

Mitchell Duncan

Max Gawn

Benjamin Griffiths

Dylan Grimes

Jordan Gysberts

Lewis Jetta

Kane Lucas

Jasper McMillan-Pittard

Dustin Martin

Jake Melksham

Daniel Menzel

Andrew Moore

Anthony Morabito

Matthew Panos

Dylan Roberton

Gary Rohan

Tom Scully

Bradley Sheppard

Koby Stevens

Daniel Talia

Luke Tapscott

Troy Taylor

Jack Trengove

Nathan Vardy

take him at 34!

very passionate melbourne supporter and great work ethic just like his brother! say what you want but i reackon having them together will make them both better!

then all we need is Vardy at 11 and one of Black, Griffiths or Carlisle at 18 and we have done very well!

Edited November 19, 2009 by frawley for captain

[Keyser Söze 0]

Nothing article. These are just the 30 shifter knows most about and is trying to hype up.

Max Gawn?

I'm surprised Majak Daw and Serhat Temel didn't make the list...

[Gooner 9]

Although Shifter (and everyone else) did say that the draft was very open.

I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of those players available at pick 50.

[frawley for captain 0]

Nothing article. These are just the 30 shifter knows most about and is trying to hype up.

Max Gawn?

I'm surprised Majak Daw and Serhat Temel didn't make the list...

maybe those 3 arn't top 30, Daw will be a rookie or very late pick, Temel late pick and Gawn's just a big lump of a bloke, he'll go late aswell

[beelzebub 22,230]

Nothing article. These are just the 30 shifter knows most about and is trying to hype up.

Max Gawn?

I'm surprised Majak Daw and Serhat Temel didn't make the list...

am not surpised they didnt make the "top 30" per se ...but that wont necessarily corrolate to the way the clubs go about their selections. If it was a flat run at things the draft would probably go as perceived. But different clubs have different needs and the draft order may well show variances to the afore mentioned perception of seeding.

I would have thought Temel might have crept in (top 30 ) and personally consider Daw a top 40.. the draft itself will unfold its own order.

Edited November 19, 2009 by belzebub59

[Viney Vidi Vici 110]

did you notice the other article on AFL website about Temel...

Even his coach thought he'd go late 3rd round to rookie pick. His fitness isn't quite there. A 10 in the beep test is really nothing special.

[LittleMoeWithTheGimpyLeg 0]

I would have thought Temel might have crept in (top 30 ) and personally consider Daw a top 40.. the draft itself will unfold its own order.

So much hype this time of year, makes people think so much higher of players that they have not seen and know minimal about. Forums such as this one are notorious for for adding value to player then people get disapointed that they slid or did not go as high as they had hyped them up to. Temel was rated an outside chance to be drafted prior to the late season form and now has done fantastic to get to 3rd round material. He showed that when he works hard he has the ability , though whether this was ability against boys or out and out ability it is yet to be known. I think that with a couple of preseasons he could be a very handy 2nd forward type , though it all depends on how much he wants it.

[beelzebub 22,230]

So much hype this time of year, makes people think so much higher of players that they have not seen and know minimal about. Forums such as this one are notorious for for adding value to player then people get disapointed that they slid or did not go as high as they had hyped them up to. Temel was rated an outside chance to be drafted prior to the late season form and now has done fantastic to get to 3rd round material. He showed that when he works hard he has the ability , though whether this was ability against boys or out and out ability it is yet to be known. I think that with a couple of preseasons he could be a very handy 2nd forward type , though it all depends on how much he wants it.

Temel has garnered a bit of favour amongst some clubs followings. His attitude and potential could indeed fill a gap ona development type list for teams needing forward stock. I reiterate ..actual taking order may reflect the differing clubs' positions rather than any linear type ajudication. There arent a great many decent forwards or rucks etc in the first 40 ( or so ) Some players might find their value revalued upwards if they fill a need as compared to the greater amount of mids.

the third round starts at strangely enough 34... hes not our cup of tea..but might be someone elses

[LittleMoeWithTheGimpyLeg 0]

Temel has garnered a bit of favour amongst some clubs followings. His attitude and potential could indeed fill a gap ona development type list for teams needing forward stock. I reiterate ..actual taking order may reflect the differing clubs' positions rather than any linear type ajudication. There arent a great many decent forwards or rucks etc in the first 40 ( or so ) Some players might find their value revalued upwards if they fill a need as compared to the greater amount of mids.

the third round starts at strangely enough 34... hes not our cup of tea..but might be someone elses

I would prefer to take a Grimes type at this pick or Max Gawn personally. I was merely using your post as an example not taking a shot at yourself. I agree that Shifters version of a 30 players may almost certainly not coincide with recruiters, yet you could probably say that the majority would fit there. Outside of these 20 ish players is when a recruiter really earns their money or loses their bundle. Recruiting has certainly come along way since the 90's.

Edited November 19, 2009 by LittleMoeWithTheGimpyLeg

[Bruce Almighty 0]

Nothing article. These are just the 30 shifter knows most about and is trying to hype up.

Max Gawn?

I'm surprised Majak Daw and Serhat Temel didn't make the list...

Are you kidding? Where did you expect the 207cm giant to be likely picked up? IMO he should go top 20, awesome prospect

[beelzebub 22,230]

I would prefer to take a Grimes type at this pick or Max Gawn personally. I was merely using your post as an example not taking a shot at yourself. I agree that Shifters version of a 30 players may almost certainly not coincide with recruiters, yet you could probably say that the majority would fit there. Outside of these 20 ish players is when a recruiter really earns their money or loses their bundle. Recruiting has certainly come along way since the 90's.

didnt take it as a shot.. but can see I needed to clarify..

[Theo 263]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tab...06/default.aspx

Ryan Bastinac

Aaron Black

John Butcher

Jake Carlisle

Jesse Crichton

Ben Cunnington

Mitchell Duncan

Max Gawn

Benjamin Griffiths

Dylan Grimes

Jordan Gysberts

Lewis Jetta

Kane Lucas

Jasper McMillan-Pittard

Dustin Martin

Jake Melksham

Daniel Menzel

Andrew Moore

Anthony Morabito

Matthew Panos

Dylan Roberton

Gary Rohan

Tom Scully

Bradley Sheppard

Koby Stevens

Daniel Talia

Luke Tapscott

Troy Taylor

Jack Trengove

Nathan Vardy

take him at 34!

very passionate melbourne supporter and great work ethic just like his brother! say what you want but i reackon having them together will make them both better!

then all we need is Vardy at 11 and one of Black, Griffiths or Carlisle at 18 and we have done very well!

After reading the Aaron Black thread I hope we grab him at 11. Glad that Callum Bartlett is not listed in the top 30 as he was talked up as a possible top 10 before he did his ACL this year. Big wraps on him on BigFooty and his video highlights are very impressive. Fantastic kick and has XX factor.

Would like Griffiths or Vardy at 18, Bartlett at 34 and Grimes or Gawn at 50.

[hillie 41]

After reading the Aaron Black thread I hope we grab him at 11. Glad that Callum Bartlett is not listed in the top 30 as he was talked up as a possible top 10 before he did his ACL this year. Big wraps on him on BigFooty and his video highlights are very impressive. Fantastic kick and has XX factor.

Would like Griffiths or Vardy at 18, Bartlett at 34 and Grimes or Gawn at 50.

i've changed my tune. i think i'd prefer gawn at 18 compared to vardy.major concern with vardy is his pace, and speed off the mark. looks to be the traditional lumbering ruckman. gawn's just a really good contested grab and could really prove to be a headache for oposition teams when resting up forward. although i also like the idea of troy taylor in there at 18. i'd not be unhappy if out of jetta, butcher, black, troy taylor, max gawn, liam patrick, grimes jr, or temel. thats on top of scully and trenny.

think it will be somethig like black vardy patrick and maybe grimes. i suppose that wouldnt be the worst thing.

[Gooner 9]

The way the draft is shaping up, I can see a top player dropping to 18.

With the top ten seeming to be close to settled, there's only six players that could go between 11 and 18, we could easily pick up a player at 18, that others are talking about picking up at 11.

[wally balls 0]

i think that the club will probably take a tall at 11 although that may depend on a better ranked player sliding out of the top 10.

i have come to the opinion that the club will take ball at 18. still undecided if his body has long for the afl but he has a number of up sides. BP keeps saying that the club will take best available. probably less risk in ball then most other players available at that stage. barring injury should be good for 3 - 4 years at afl level. don't care if he hasn't spoken to the club. as Voss said he will play were he is told. he's a pro footballer so will suck it up and get on with the job.

the later picks will be best available. club recruters know what there doing although with the last pick maybe look for another x factor project type

PSD should pick up joel Mac. like him a lot. reads the play well, creates run off half back and can play tall or small. can't work out why lions would dump him for raines

[Rosso 59]

Andrew Moore is a player that seems to have gone under everyone's radar. Kevin Sheahan gave him a super wrap in today's sun under the Crows draft needs column, saying he was a lovely kick and has good hands. He is the brother of Kelvin from Richmond, and I happen to know that prior to Kelvie joining RIchmond, the family were mad Demon fans. I would love to see him picked up at 18

[Felix 92]

I can not wait for next Thursday draft, Melbourne have come a LONG way over the past few years.

It just seems like the clubs is finally working together and heading in the right direction.

So excited to see Scully, Trengrove @ 1 & 2, Black @ 11, Panos/Talia @ 18. Can not wait for all these players hit the 50 - 60 game mark, thats when the Dees will be pounding @$$ like bubba in Maximum Security!

Seriously throw in Blease, Strauss, Watts, LJ, Grimes etc etc, we are looking like a very formidable side.

The Dees will be see some exciting years ahead..

Edited November 20, 2009 by Sturmmann

[Steamin Demon 370]

Nothing article. These are just the 30 shifter knows most about and is trying to hype up.

Max Gawn?

I'm surprised Majak Daw and Serhat Temel didn't make the list...

Surprised ??? I really get frustrated when people throw up Majak Daw's name. If anyone actually watched this guy go around and new the slightest thing about AFL they wouldn't mention his name. He is media pump up tool/experiment/flavour of the month.

I have watched plenty of him this year LIVE and yes he can run and jump but he can't read the play and is [censored] by hand and foot and I mean [censored] !!!

Okay he has had minimal time playing our game but you don't pick up a player that can't play our game.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Ryan Bastinac

Lewis Jetta

Kane Lucas

Jake Melksham

Luke Tapscott

You can guarantee that one or more of the above players will be available at pick 11 and it would be hard to pick a tall ahead of all or most of them. I would love to see the club pick up another mid/forward before a tall, there will still be good quality talls at 18 and 34.

[hillie 41]

Surprised ??? I really get frustrated when people throw up Majak Daw's name. If anyone actually watched this guy go around and new the slightest thing about AFL they wouldn't mention his name. He is media pump up tool/experiment/flavour of the month.

I have watched plenty of him this year LIVE and yes he can run and jump but he can't read the play and is [censored] by hand and foot and I mean [censored] !!!

Okay he has had minimal time playing our game but you don't pick up a player that can't play our game.

spot on. i agree. he definately is just for publicity. just a 'feel good' for the afl and their efforts of breaking down boundaries and into new markets. not a serious contender. anyone that mentions his name in a phantom draft/ wishlist i discredit immediately

[Demon_Tingles 211]

From the things ive seen and heard I would not be upset if we picked up Max Gawn at pick 18 or 34. We are in dire need of a decent ruckman and from what Ive seen and heard he could be the answer. Ok did his knee but players can get over it. If a pick is too much risk then rookie him. I just have a good feeling about this kid.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Surprised ??? I really get frustrated when people throw up Majak Daw's name. If anyone actually watched this guy go around and new the slightest thing about AFL they wouldn't mention his name. He is media pump up tool/experiment/flavour of the month.

I have watched plenty of him this year LIVE and yes he can run and jump but he can't read the play and is [censored] by hand and foot and I mean [censored] !!!

Okay he has had minimal time playing our game but you don't pick up a player that can't play our game.

I was being facetious.

If you're going to include a player like Max Gawn in your top 20, you might as well include players that will be likely rookie-listed but have bigger profiles than their ability deserves, such as Daw and Temel.

[ChaserJ 3,964]

Shifter profiles top draft talent:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,2...5018851,00.html