Butcher?

[Guest digga]

Im not so sure about John Butcher myself. Dont get me wrong hes a great player but he was helped alot by a very strong vic country team. This is how he came to fame but most of his marks were not contested and vic country were a very good team last year so there was alot of ball going into the forward 50.

Any thoughts?

[Neita3000 37]

Can we please stop talking about draft picks please. Far out I know its more than likely we'll finish bottom winning 4 games or less but please let's try and draw some positives in the young players that actually play for our club

[Guest digga]

Trust me im the same i get sick of it but there's a reason. We dont have any good young players to talk about yet. Like i mean there are a few who have shown A BIT but really they havnt had alot of the ball or kicked goals and had a big impact or something to excite us with. Morton yes he aint a first year.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Can we please stop talking about draft picks please. Far out I know its more than likely we'll finish bottom winning 4 games or less but please let's try and draw some positives in the young players that actually play for our club

I agree. I want to see us win games (more than 4). And it's only round 4 we should not think about draft picks when we (technically) can still make the finals.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

Im not so sure about John Butcher myself. Dont get me wrong hes a great player but he was helped alot by a very strong vic country team. This is how he came to fame but most of his marks were not contested and vic country were a very good team last year so there was alot of ball going into the forward 50.

Any thoughts?

the answer is simple with pick 1 take scully and pick 2 the best power forward,

[Guest digga]

the answer is simple with pick 1 take scully and pick 2 the best power forward,

You dont need 2 power forwards to win flag. Look at geelong they are good enough and there forward line has one OK tall. Yes hawthorn have 2 but geelong are the best and they dont really have great big forwards. Midfield Midfield Midfield. If ya have a good midfield all a forward needs to do is mark the ball when is delievered on there chest

[tez 6]

ccould the mods have these threads re drafts dream teams and anything not current confined to somewhere other than here i know its footy related but lets have threads about curreent afl teams games players getting abit sick of this going on

[dee-luded 2,958]

Can we please stop talking about draft picks please. Far out I know its more than likely we'll finish bottom winning 4 games or less but please let's try and draw some positives in the young players that actually play for our club

We can do both, talk about potential draftees, &/or our recruits, & our disappointments.

When we talk about the developement of our New recruits, we're thinking of our future. It's no different looking further ahead at the same time, to reflect on the possibilities.

I assure you that the clubs are out there looking at the TAC U-18s, Matt Rendell was watching the D/nong Stingrays game last week, & I'm sure there were others there representing different clubs.

We Have to release some players at the end of each season. It's a part of the game. It's Not being disloyal to our players.

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ccould the mods have these threads re drafts dream teams and anything not current confined to somewhere other than here i know its footy related but lets have threads about curreent afl teams games players getting abit sick of this going on

All you have to do is not click on the tread then? its not like cause there is a new thread about young players from TAC cup you HAVE to read it, if you dont like it dont read it. Its all relevent.

[Yencks 8]

Can we please stop talking about draft picks please. Far out I know its more than likely we'll finish bottom winning 4 games or less but please let's try and draw some positives in the young players that actually play for our club

if you dont like these threads then dont read them. why are there always people that attack threads?

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

You dont need 2 power forwards to win flag. Look at geelong they are good enough and there forward line has one OK tall. Yes hawthorn have 2 but geelong are the best and they dont really have great big forwards. Midfield Midfield Midfield. If ya have a good midfield all a forward needs to do is mark the ball when is delievered on there chest

so when your only forward is kicking four goals seven points for the night, or is getting doubled teamed, what then.

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so when your only forward is kicking four goals seven points for the night, or is getting doubled teamed, what then.

Clearly you didnt read it. If you have a good enough midfield the ball moves quick enough. You cant double team a leading forward on the lead. If you put a man in space thats mean the other team had a man free, midfield is good enough to kick it to him. ITS WHAT GEELONG DOES AND IT SEEMS TO WORK.

[Late Draft Pick 48]

I'm interested in this thread. This year is about the future and if you are interested in our development then

you can appreciate any thread that invites information about the possible draft picks this year as we are certainly not aiming for the 8.

This thread I was hoping might draw some of the expert opinion here on Butcher who we have all heard so much about but only seen on the utube

which also needs some context.

[Carn dees 108]

Im not so sure about John Butcher myself. Dont get me wrong hes a great player but he was helped alot by a very strong vic country team. This is how he came to fame but most of his marks were not contested and vic country were a very good team last year so there was alot of ball going into the forward 50.

Any thoughts?

I agree he didnt look that impressive , sure i recon hell be a good forward but nothing frakish or watts like.

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Everything could change though after this TAC season and when the states paly each other but i woiuldnt think butcher would end up at melbourne.

pick 4-11 id say

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Clearly you didnt read it. If you have a good enough midfield the ball moves quick enough. You cant double team a leading forward on the lead. If you put a man in space thats mean the other team had a man free, midfield is good enough to kick it to him. ITS WHAT GEELONG DOES AND IT SEEMS TO WORK.

the Hawks have two power forwards in Rough and Buddy , (Watts/ this years no.1 pick), a sharp shooting mid size in Williams(Maric), and a young speedy crumber with freakish ability in Rioli (Aussie) add Jurah and youve got your self a forward line to go with our emerging backline. that would seem to work.

we will most likely have pick two as well to use on a gun midfielder. remembering Blease and Strauss are yet to pull on a jumper. Morton should be studying tapes of Adam Goodes.

[e25 5]

Its stupid to speculate (assuming we have picks 1&2) that our first 2 picks should be the best midfielder and the best power forward available.

What if the best 'power forward' in the draft is a clone of Cleve Hughes??

What if the best midfielder available is another Brodie Holland? .. and what if a Dean Cox is available..?

BEST AVAILABLE.

REGARDLESS OF POSITION.

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You dont need 2 power forwards to win flag. Look at geelong they are good enough and there forward line has one OK tall. Yes hawthorn have 2 but geelong are the best and they dont really have great big forwards. Midfield Midfield Midfield. If ya have a good midfield all a forward needs to do is mark the ball when is delievered on there chest

based on that the Bulldogs will play off against the Cats, the Saints and Hawks can pack up shop now

[Bay Riffin 1,420]

Its stupid to speculate (assuming we have picks 1&2) that our first 2 picks should be the best midfielder and the best power forward available.

What if the best 'power forward' in the draft is a clone of Cleve Hughes??

What if the best midfielder available is another Brodie Holland? .. and what if a Dean Cox is available..?

BEST AVAILABLE.

REGARDLESS OF POSITION.

Agree with that...best available.

We will know doubt get a late starter or two like Watts to throw into the mix.

Sounds like there will be a midfielder or two of real class if Scully and Lucas are the benchmarks already. Scully has had two good games looking at the stats so far and was up there already last year as an underage 16 year old. He does look the goods.

Melbourne would be happy with the best midfielder (or two) in the draft. I really do think we need to create at least one gun midfielder, then our other midfield stocks will star to rise. I also agree we don't need to obsess about a key forward if they are not that great. Thats the stance we took this year to recruit skillful runners after Watts. Why go tall for the sake of it?

Who knows a gun ruckman may demand selection as well. I wouldn't mind a Vickery type going forward. Richmond have done very well there.

like it or not, the TAC champs will be extremely important to our future given our best draft picks may actually be this year.

[demoniac 1,243]

You dont need 2 power forwards to win flag. Look at geelong they are good enough and there forward line has one OK tall. Yes hawthorn have 2 but geelong are the best and they dont really have great big forwards. Midfield Midfield Midfield. If ya have a good midfield all a forward needs to do is mark the ball when is delievered on there chest

Geelong were good enough in 2007. They were not last year. The problem with your argument is that in the heat of finals the ball is less likely to be delivered with precision. You may not need 2 good power forwards but it is alot easier to win a flag if you have them. Geelong with Ottens and Hawkins playing well up forward is a much stronger propositon than Geelong with Ottens or Hawkins and Lonergan up forward.

[torpedo 33]

BEST AVAILABLE.

REGARDLESS OF POSITION.

Agree 100%

From what I have seen Scully is miles ahead of the pack, including Butcher.

I see no reason why we must have 2 big bodied key forwards, thats a fairly outdated AFL model. Regardless, our midfield is our biggest weakness by a country mile anyway & should be our No 1 priority if we want to become a premiership team.

[H_T 2,941]

Agree 100%

From what I have seen Scully is miles ahead of the pack, including Butcher.

I see no reason why we must have 2 big bodied key forwards, thats a fairly outdated AFL model. Regardless, our midfield is our biggest weakness by a country mile anyway & should be our No 1 priority if we want to become a premiership team.

Jonathon Brown and Daniel Bradshaw (Brisbane)

Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn)

David Hale / Drew Petrie (Nth Melb)

Will Minson / Mitch Hahn (Footscray*)

Cam Mooney / Brad Ottens (Geelong)

Matthew Lloyd / Scott Lucas / David Hille (Essendon)

Nick Riewoldt / Justin Koschitzke (St Kilda)

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Shall I continue?............Hardly outdated.

[Bay Riffin 1,420]

Hmmmm..nice to have both. Remember Watts plays a more Hird like role of lead up forward and can play up the ground when his opponent is beating him like Hurley last year. he will play midfield from time to time which will be an enormous asset. We will need a big bloke down there as a permanent forward.

our midfield is not our biggest weakness, our forward line is. Don't overestimate blokes like Miller. We do require a gun in the midfield but we have some talent to come through...Grimes, Morton, Blease, Buckley to add some class and pace. Jones is playing quite well at present as well.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

Jonathon Brown and Daniel Bradshaw (Brisbane)

Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn)

David Hale / Drew Petrie (Nth Melb)

Will Minson / Mitch Hahn (Footscray*)

Cam Mooney / Brad Ottens (Geelong)

Matthew Lloyd / Scott Lucas / David Hille (Essendon)

Nick Riewoldt / Justin Koschitzke (St Kilda)

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Shall I continue?............Hardly outdated.

thanks mate ,but they still wont listen, people have forgotten Blease and Strauss are yet to play

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

for all in favour of one tall forward in the forward please answer this, why do we play four talls in defence?