It's round 9 but forget Naitanui,Rich...

[Jack7 463]

After round 9, we're 1-8 but you can forget about Naitanui and Rich because we won't finish below Essendon & Freo!!! WE WON'T WIN THE SPOON!!!!!!

Our first pick will be 3-6 and we take the best player available.

Kerr said last night on 6PR, he'll sign a 5 year deal with WCE and his old man would kill him if he left Perth.

Morton will be a classy wingman but i wish we took Palmer,he's Freo's best midfielder after only 8 games and attracts the oppositions no. 1 tagger every week.I would still swap them now. I was so pi$$ed at Cameron for not taking Palmer on Draft day and i stand by it.

Morton will be a good handy wingman, not a gun midfielder!!!

[Demons 32 235]

Palmer is at his best already, your right he is killing it, but that's it, he doesn't really have much room to improve, I admit I wanted him too, he was my number 1 choice. But sadly no, it didn't happen, but you cannot deny Morton has the best set of skills for a young guy like every and if he puts on 10 kilos will be a classy superstar like Jimmy Hird.

[John Dee 437]

Morton is still growing, he will develop in to a fantastic, big, footballer. To play at this level with the body he has now shows how good he will be when he fills out. I would still take him over Palmer in a heartbeat, and , yes, I do think Plamer is a gun.

[Rampaging Demons 1]

agree that morton has a bigger upside to palmer!!

you just have to watch cale and the way that he moves to realise that he is just a baby that has done his first half preseason, that he has pretty good skills under pressure and that by playing him now, he will be better for it..

the in and unders now have a silky smooth wingman that makes smart options!!

does anyone remember shane smith??

[Neita3000 37]

Not regretting the choice at all.

Cale has played two extraordinary games against Geelong and Adelaide. Any other year he would have had a rising star nomination by now but due to the abundance of young players gong round right now it just hasn't been his time. Trust me the kid will be a gem.

[mordja 187]

Speaking to Dean Bailey last night he said that he though Morton would end up in the midfield when he put on some bulk.

I think its a size issue. Cale morton looks like he has more time than most footballers when he is in possession, when he gets a bigger engine and some size he will be something to contend with.

[The Emblem 1]

Speaking to Dean Bailey last night he said that he though Morton would end up in the midfield when he put on some bulk.

I think its a size issue. Cale morton looks like he has more time than most footballers when he is in possession, when he gets a bigger engine and some size he will be something to contend with.

DB suggested that Cale's aerobic engine is second only to Cam Bruce's, but yes he will need to develop muscle over time or he will snap.

[Guest MFC4Life]

Morton will be a classy wingman but i wish we took Palmer,he's Freo's best midfielder after only 8 games and attracts the oppositions no. 1 tagger every week.I would still swap them now. I was so pi$$ed at Cameron for not taking Palmer on Draft day and i stand by it.

I'd be more pi$$ed off if I were an Essendon supporter, picking Myers over Palmer.

FWIW Morton will captain the club one day.

[Deelicious9 0]

Palmer is at his best already, your right he is killing it, but that's it, he doesn't really have much room to improve, I admit I wanted him too, he was my number 1 choice. But sadly no, it didn't happen, but you cannot deny Morton has the best set of skills for a young guy like every and if he puts on 10 kilos will be a classy superstar like Jimmy Hird.

I wasn't sure of Palmer pre-draft but now i am all over him. And just because he is already dominating doesn't mean he is at his best. He will only get fitter, faster, stronger, more skilled and learn to deal with opposition players. To say that he's reached his peak at age 18 or 19 is ridiculous. A gun now and will only get better!

[45HG 1,539]

Kerr said last night on 6PR,he'll sign a 5 year deal with WCE and his old man would kill him if he left Perth.

I'd believe it too

[Eastie Boyz 0]

Palmer is at his best already, your right he is killing it, but that's it, he doesn't really have much room to improve, I admit I wanted him too, he was my number 1 choice. But sadly no, it didn't happen, but you cannot deny Morton has the best set of skills for a young guy like every and if he puts on 10 kilos will be a classy superstar like Jimmy Hird.

It's a pretty big if though.

Some players just don't put on weight and stay pretty slim

eg Heffernan, Bruce, Johnstone, Fiora

Other guys just get bigger and bigger as they go on.

Will be interesting to see which category Morton falls in

[Tassie Devil 28]

It's a pretty big if though.

Some players just don't put on weight and stay pretty slim

eg Heffernan, Bruce, Johnstone, Fiora

Other guys just get bigger and bigger as they go on.

Will be interesting to see which category Morton falls in

Looks to me that all the Morton bros are fairly slight

[45HG 1,539]

You cannot seriously be saying that a 19 year old is at his best, and can in no way improve. That's crazy talk.

[71 Molloy 266]

10 Morton possessions > 20 Palmer possessions.

[Eastie Boyz 0]

How do you figure that Brock?

[Demons 32 235]

You cannot seriously be saying that a 19 year old is at his best, and can in no way improve. That's crazy talk.

Actually I can, there is not much room for improvement right now, he was a gun in the championships and as a junior, there was a reason he wasn't number 1 pick. Recruiters thought he wouldn't get much better than he is now.

While alot said Morton had the most potential in the draft, he could be anything, Palmer was a sure fire bet to be a 150+ game performer for whatever club he went to. But Morton has the skill, time and poise that Palmer doesn't have, the only thing he is lacking is strength, which will come.

Palmer can slightly improve his awareness and skill, but he won't make the drastic improvments that we hope Morton will.

Palmer will have a great career with his effort, hard running, determination.

But if you can't see that if Morton applies this same work ethic he will be an amazing player you are kidding yourself, his natural god given talent is an absolute thing of beauty to a football purist.

[Demons 32 235]

How do you figure that Brock?

Will always hit his target, kick the goal etc. So much poise and time, he truely knows what he is doing with the ball.

Palmer often grabs out of centre and just nags it, people don't notice when looking at the stat sheet how many kicks were not effective.

[sylvinator 96]

I completely disagree with this thread.

Pathetic thread which lacks any insight at all and also seems to completely lack research.

There only 4 teams who have vying for bottom 4 position!

Freo have lost their last 3-4 games after leading at 3/4 time. they are not far off. they will start winning games very soon and with games at home in subi, are bound to win a few.

As for Essendon, have you even looked at their draw.... They play WCE twice, Melb, Freo, Carlton and Richmond in the run home. basically they play all the bottom teams. With Lucas and McVeigh getting back to full fitness, i have a feeling they will start winning games.

WCE just thrashed Adelaide. they are not that bad... plus have Beau Waters, Butler and Kerr to come back into their side.

I think we still have a strong case for the spoon unfortunately (or fortunately if you take the perspective on draft picks).

As for the Palmer comment---- Palmer looks great, however cannot compare to Morton who looks like a skinny runt, yet seems to consistently kick a goal a game and rack up 15-18 classy disposals. Morton is developing beautifully. if u look at his physique you would legitimately argue he is 2-3 years away from senior footy, yet still seems to look at home at afl level. Too early to start wishing we picked up a different player when Morton going swimmingly.

[Eastie Boyz 0]

Will always hit his target, kick the goal etc. So much poise and time, he truely knows what he is doing with the ball.

Palmer often grabs out of centre and just nags it, people don't notice when looking at the stat sheet how many kicks were not effective.

He's a first year player, what do you expect?

and for the record:

Cale Morton - 71% efficiency at an average of 15.44 disposals per game

Rhys Palmer - 66% efficiency at an average of 21.75 disposals per game

Also, whoever said that a 19 year old has reached their full potential.

Have you ever even played a game before?

No matter how good you are already there is always improvement in you.

There's a reason 99% of footballers don't play their best football until they're into their early to mid-20s

[deanox 8,623]

He's a first year player, what do you expect?

and for the record:

Cale Morton - 71% efficiency at an average of 15.44 disposals per game

Rhys Palmer - 66% efficiency at an average of 21.75 disposals per game

Also, whoever said that a 19 year old has reached their full potential.

Have you ever even played a game before?

No matter how good you are already there is always improvement in you.

There's a reason 99% of footballers don't play their best football until they're into their early to mid-20s

thats 10.96 effective disposals for morton and 14.25 effective for palmer...

it would be interesting to see time on ground stats, and other stats like goals and tackles...

[Jack7 463]

Sylvinator says,

As for Essendon, have you even looked at their draw.... They play WCE twice, Melb, Freo, Carlton and Richmond in the run home.

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WCE will beat Bombers twice,Dees will beat Bombers and Tigers will beat Bombers again like last week.I reckon Freo & Carlton will beat the Bombers!!!

Bombers will win the spoon!!!!!

[Jack7 463]

Morton's stats: 9 games

season stats

Kicks 79------------------- Tackles 8

Handballs 60--------------- Goals 5

Disposal 139--------------- Behinds 4

Disposal Efficiency 71%----------Score Assists 8

Contested Possessions 29--------- Time on ground 67% (9 Matches)

Uncontested Possessions 116 -------Super coach 493 pts (242nd)

Palmer's stats: 8 games

season stats

Kicks 113------------------------ Tackles 16

Handballs 61----------------------- Goals 4

Disposal 174------------------------- Behinds 3

Disposal Efficiency 67%--------------- Score Assists 9

Contested Possessions 44----------------- Time on ground 77% (8 Matches)

Uncontested Possessions 133---------------- Super coach 680 pts (107th)

The outstanding stat is that Palmer has won 15 more contested possessions and laid twice as many tackles in 1 less game.Morton is only winning 3 contested possessions a game,the rest are receives.Morton is laying 1 tackle a game,not nearly good enough at this level.Palmer has 2 kicks for every 1 handball and Morton is almost kicking and handballing equally,i'd like to see Morton kicking more to a forwardline target,using the silky skills everyone says he has,rather than giving off handballs.

[DeeMfc 621]

I think both Morton and Palmer are going to be great players.

But if I were to choose which player I would rather have on my team it would be Cale Morton.

% Stats are not a true indication of effectiveness.

Palmer will be a very good midfielder but his quality of disposal is average.

As we have seen time and time again silky skills cannot be aquired they are a natural ability that you either have or don't.

Morton on the other hand has exeptional skill, maturity and awareness for a kid his age.

Yes, we would like to see him put some bulk on over the next couple of years, but even if he doesn't he will still ooze class ala the great Robbie Flower.

[Lamberto Bava 6]

Don't forget Palmer is 11 months older than Morton.

[dee-luded 2,958]

I think both Morton and Palmer are going to be great players.

But if I were to choose which player I would rather have on my team it would be Cale Morton.

% Stats are not a true indication of effectiveness.

Palmer will be a very good midfielder but his quality of disposal is average.

As we have seen time and time again silky skills cannot be aquired they are a natural ability that you either have or don't.

Morton on the other hand has exeptional skill, maturity and awareness for a kid his age.

Yes, we would like to see him put some bulk on over the next couple of years, but even if he doesn't he will still ooze class ala the great Robbie Flower.

If I had a choice of last years midfielders I'd have Cotchin for sure.