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A hypothetical..... We beat Giants next week and the Hawks beat the Swans. If we were to beat Geelong and the Pies beat WCE in Perth. We could potentially play all our finals at the G if we we’re good enough to progress through.

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Can anyone remember how the swap over occurs in the finals? The winner of 5 v 8 plays loser of ? The winner of 6 v 7 plays loser ? Is there a real potential to play week 1 Geelong week 2 Pies week Hawks/Tigers

I’m saying all teams have injuries. We didn’t lose the mentioned games because Lever and Viney weren’t playing. I think mindset is the reason we lost, and that’s an area the Hawks have us well and truly covered.

Hawks currently have a couple out.

How would Hogan go on Buddy, Ben Brown or a Joe Danniher type. If the answer is for Hogan to play in defence that actually strengthens the argument to trade him and a trade should be sought before any such move was to happen. If Hogan was to play in defence it would be an admissioyn of defeat. The no.1 trait of a key defender isn’t contested marking or kicking, it’s the ability to beat your opponent. That can be by out marking his opponent, but it can also be by punching/spoiling the footy. In order to be at the contest you also have to have the physical attributes to match up against some of the games best forwards. Hogan is a great mark leading up onto the ball but that doesn’t necessarily translate to outmarking fwds that just up at the footy. As for kicking, yes Hogan uses the ball well when passing by foot while others such as Frost and Omac often get criticised by their disposal but that’s why we’ve got the likes of Salem and Lewis down there. All players are required to kick the footy but there have been numerous times in most games where the ball could/should be passed off to our better users of the footy. In short I’d rather another gun mid than Hogan playing at CHB.

Agree with this, but with this comes a significant pay drop.

I hear you B.B. and totally agree, but the wheel has to turn in our favour at some point. I’m not confident but hopefull, so until it’s confirmed, for me we’re still alive.

I wasn’t aware of the interest from Essendon. I would do that deal without hesitation.

Mastering the art of bafoonery. I posted several times in the “trade Hogan” thread yesterday and I stand by my comments, mainly “you ultimately get judged by how you perform in the big games”. For you to suggest some of us take any joy out of this news is just plain stupid. And no I don’t feel ashamed, I’ll leave that to those who either can’t or refuse to deal with reality. Its happened, we process it, park it up and move on, we’ve still got two games to play and a potential finals campaign. I personally believe this news doesn’t mark the end of our season.

The Suns game provided that opportunity but wasn’t taken.

So he played hurt against the Suns for what reason?

With regards to TMac Jaded I don’t think we honestly know what his maximum output is. We’ve never seen him at FF for a whole game, let alone a whole season.

Please read my post about who’s he’s kicked those goals against, again players are judged in the big games.

I just posted earlier to Jaded, I would target a Giants mid, maybe a Cognilio (24 years old) or Whitfield (24 years old) or Shiel (25) Kelly (23) doesn’t matter if they’re in contact because as we know they can be broken. Giants get the picks from the Hogan trade allowing them to attack the draft again for top end talent. Giants still have Scully, Ward amongst others, if the price was right we might be able to squeeze one out. Then for Peter Wright we could trade fringe players/ 2nd round picks. Would Peter Wright kick 50 goals, probably not, but with another gun mid he could get 30-35 as well as playing ruck. But on the flip side we leave TMac at FF and he could get anywhere between 60-70. If these scenarios or something couldn’t happen I wouldn’t trade Hogan purely for picks that we keep.

Players will ultimately be judged in the big games, so right now Hogan is not a gun. As for suggestions we should be bold, target one of the Giants gun mids, we don’t need more picks. Any picks would go straight to the Giants. Then as I’ve mentioned earlier target a Peter Wright who is from Melbourne and was out of favour earlier in the year. He could play fwd and chop out Gawn in the ruck leaving TMac to play permanently as our deepest fwd.

Who’s mentioned trading purely for picks, we should be targeting a ready made player and on trade those picks.

Round, opponent, score, disposals, marks Round 1 : Geelong 3.0, 16 & 3 Round 2 : Brisbane 5.1, 22 & 9 Round 3 : North 1.2, 26 & 7 Round 4 : HAWKS 1.1, 24 & 3 Round 5 : TIGERS 2.2, 22 & 9 Round 6 : Bombers 2.1, 8 & 5 Round 7 : St.Kilda 3.1, 25 & 7 Round 8 : Suns 3.0, 22 & 8 Round 9 : Carlton 1.1, 15 & 6 Round 10 : Crows 5.0, 20 & 11 Round 11: Bulldogs 5.1, 19 & 10 Its at this point here people were saying he’s in AA form. 10 goals 1 from his last 2 games with a 31 for the year so far. The stage was set for something special on QB, and we got this.... Round 12 : PIES 0.1, 17 & 3 Round 13 : Bye No need to panic it was just a one off, or was it.... Round 14 : PORT 0.1, 12 & 2 Round 15 : Saints 3.2, 15 & 4 Round 16 : Freo 2.3 19 & 7 Round 17 : Bulldogs 4.1, 18 & 9 More goals against weaker clubs and all is forgotten again. Hold on.... Round 18 : GEELONG 1.1, 14 & 4 Rd 19 : Crows 1.0, 10 & 4 After yesterday’ loss many are now saying he’s been playing injured for weeks, so to help him recover the gets him to line up against the hapless Suns. Round 20 : Suns 4.1, 22 & 10 Not bad for someone playing injured. But then again as some have already alluded to, a lot of players are carrying injuries this time of year, it all depends on whether or not it suits your narrative. Round 21 : SWANS 1.3, 19 & 4 The games where the opponents names are in capitals are games where he needed to deliver. You could go into it more and look at how many of those behinds were easy misses, or like yesterday his disposal efficiency which was yesterday quite low. We are yet to play the Giants or the Eagles but looking at that the games against the other 5 top 8 sides and Geelong who are currently 9th there is a clear trend, and that is he goes missing in big games. Again, he’s not the player many thought he was going to become. The club should be open to trading him but we don’t need more kids, line up and a ready made player and make it a three way trade.

How hard is it? We’re being told he was in AA form at the halfway point of the year. Which teams has he dominated against, and where are they on the ladder?

Well look who it is, the self appointed Sheriff of Demonland. Care to answer the question?

Just as he is a excellent mark leading up the ground, but struggles when the ball comes in high or in pack marking situations but spends more time deep than TMac. On the other hand TMac takes the big marks and today aside is a better shot on goal yet it he who has to go down back or into the ruck. Would love to see TMac left at FF for the rest of the year.

Can those posters that are in the “no to trading Hogan camp” please enlighten the rest of us which games he’s dominated this year. Or more to the point, his numbers/stats in our losses. For those who keep bringing up his potential AA form, again, against which sides? What he achieved in his first two seasons counts for nothing now. He is clearly not the player we all thought he’d be which ever way you spin it. Im all for trading him, but would want a gun mid in return. One that fits our age/talent profile. Then target a Peter Wright or similar.

This says it all. It’s not a one off, it’s ingrained. Would love to have have Hogan’s and Jones numbers that go with those games.

Jones just kicked a captains goal, hilarious.

Apparently we’re evolving.