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Playing with 3 tall forwards and turning it over at CHF when our mid size forwards aren’t marking it.

Obviously we can still win but the question remains how are we even in this position.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen Hogan take a pack mark.

Will be watching from the couch. Looking forward to Petty’s debut and better use going inside 50. Can we also just leave TMac as the deepest fwd all game.

Hope he plays well and holds his spot.

I’d prefer TMac play permanently FF, but when Hogan is playing deep we need to kick it so he can run on to it, that’s where I believe he most dangerous. Rather than have him camped underneath the high ball every time.

He can’t take big pack marks. So why is anyone suprised when we constantly bomb the footy in he’s not influencing the game. If he’s playing deep kick it accordingly, play to his strengths. Having said that it doesn’t mean he still can’t crash the occasional pack.

Didn’t he do that earlier in the year? And there’s nothing wrong with his or Peteacca’s confidence.

Back him in to respond.... not playing as a deep forward but playing up the ground as I mentioned in my above post. But I’d also back dropping him. Players are ultimately judged by how they perform in finals or in our case playing against better performing sides. The constant beating up on weaker sides by him or the team as a whole count for nothing when we continually lose when challenged. We have the talent to beat anyone this year but we don’t have the collective mindset. On Friday night it was easy to see those that wanted it. Rd 18 v Geelong Rd 21 v Sydney Rd 22 v West Coast Rd 23 v GWS Those four games will tell us where he is at.

Brereton did a piece on Fox about Hogan playing as a crumber and not contesting in the air. We need to play to Hogan’s strengths and pack marking isn’t one of them. The constant bombing of the footy inside 50 made him redundant last week. In some situations it’s the only option, regardless leave TMac permanently deep forward and let Hogan roam up the ground where he is better suited.

It’s got nothing to do with who comes in to replace them. We should be able to win our next three with both Hogan and Petrcca out of the side. It’s about their development both as a footballers and as people. It’s about getting their mindset right and them getting the best out of themselves. They should not be treated any differently to the rest.

You can add Petracca to that list.

Everyone knew before the game that Kennedy and Darling were out yet they still tipped them. West Coast, like Melbourne continue to get ahead of themselves. Richmond and the Bulldogs in their respective years won the flag without having the best list of that season. Mindset is so important yet it seems many struggle with the concept.

Until I read your post RJay i’d forgotten we even had a Friday night game. This makes it even more interesting.

Hogan Melkaham Salem I think it drops off after that. Half that list can’t get a game, Lewis and Jones are both nearly cooked. Potential in ANB, Smith and the Weed.

Yes but no reason we can’t target both. A club can’t expect too much for a bloke not getting a game.

Understand your points with regards to match ups but ideally that’s why we are playing the 3 talls. Out of interest (I’d have to look) since TMac has been dominating up fwd how many of those games has Garlett been in the team.

After the last few weeks, if nothing else surely now TMac plays at full forward and no where else.

Went looking for the VFL report and came across this. Rest up and come back stronger, hopefully can force his way back into the team in the back half of the year and have an impact.

In order to impose manic pressure or pressure of any kind onto the opposition you actually have to be standing next to your opponent. We need to stop this garbage of guarding space and corralling (in some cases standing 5-10 metres from our opponents) and play directly on them. This is also beneficial if your opponent is quicker than you, your opponent doesn’t have a head start on you and you’re more likely to pressure their disposal/marking the ball. If your opponent moves, move with him. Hawthorn/Richmond and now Collingwood were all able to move the ball from one end of the ground to the other not only without us touching it but almost unoposed. When teams are kicking in from a behind we seem to conceed the first kick, (normally to deep in the pocket) then at times the second kick (somewhere around the 50). Both these kicks are being taken uncontested because our players are too busy guarding an irrelevant space. From here teams can do one of two things, continue to kick to free teammates as we still guard space and work their way up the ground or outwork and outrun us and create the overlap, handball receive then run and carry then a kick inside 50. Yesterday was a combination of both for Collingwood. One thing we’ve been good at doing this year is taking a mark inside 50 then turning quickly and kicking to a teammate in a better position. For some reason we failed to defend against this yesterday. We know we’re not the quickest, we pride ourselves on contested possession so let’s make every possession by the opposition accountable. (Guard space when the opposition has marked and is kicking inside 50, put a man front and centre of the goals, and where the keys forwards are going to lead to) Our tackling let us down again, even in the previous games we’ve won this season it’s been an issue. On most occasions one player should be able to tackle the player with the ball. When we tackle we allow the ball carrier to off load a handball. At times yesterday we had 2 and 3 players tackling the ball carrier and he still managed to get a handball off and away they went. The suggestions that Lever’s absence was a large contributing factor to the back lines pantsing and the loss as a whole are comical. Hogan had a bad day, it happens, but can he stop playing for frees and stop throwing his hands in the air while the opposition runs off with the ball. Lead by example. Can we now all acknowledge that TMac is Neita MARK2. Feel free to rotate Hogan and “inset name” but can we just leave him planted in the goal square for the remainder of the season. He is by far our best contested mark and set shot for goal in the team. Leaving him there was the best thing Goodwin did. Petracca needs to be dropped, if it was good enough for Watts, enough said. Poor decision making across the board, kicking to 1 on 2 or 2 on 3. Players running inside 50 from the centre square and kicking to an outnumbered fwd. Take ownership, be accountable and kick the goal. The Pies worked harder than us and wanted it more, they hunted in numbers and put us away with ease. On paper we had them covered but it was evident we were rattled from the first bounce. 100 point drubbings of lower placed sides clearly count for nothing, when we are challenged in big games and there’s something to play for we continue to choke. No this doesn’t mark the end of the season but this does raise a number of questions, some of them reoccurring ones. As posted earlier, it’s not that we lost, it’s the way we lost. If they kicked straight we could of been down by 8 goals at qtr time.

Waiting for the “besides the 1st qtr post”....

We’ve had a nine day break. Last few weeks had nothing to do with it.

Corralling....their run and spread they have hit up unmarked opponents all day.

Finding out quick smart that cheap wins count for nothing. Totally outworked and outsmarted. 9 day break, basically full list, no excuses. Make no mistake, we are choking.

Who would you rather?