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May have already been mentioned, kind of relevant to this thread. Just read on FB Pies are talking to Marcus Adams.

The funny thing for me is that we still haven’t had any official confirmation, the closest thing we have had was Chook in Perth posting last night (and no disrespect intended because we all appreciate his mail but that didn’t really tell us anything that we weren’t already thinking). Watching the pack mentality change a couple of days ago from the morning “Goody said he’s staying” to the afternoon “where there’s smoke there’s fire”..... I would much rather read posts from people who can think for themselves, think outside the square and don’t continue to run with the company line on every bloody post they make. Whats also funny is the posters who continue to run with the - Hogan’s a gun / a star. - He had a form slump. - It was the midfields fault Or one of my personal favourites.... - Weed’s only played one good game. When these posters were presented with constructive counter arguments and examples of where Hogan’s game was found wanting, quite often there was no response. And they’d have us believe we’re the ones with the problem, we’re not the real supporters.

Missed it by that much....

Reading this thread there are a lot of posts with “what happens if player X goes down”. There are 18 clubs and not enough talent to fill the lists. Three KPF is a luxury that cannot be held forever. Losing Hogan still leaves us with 2. With regards to injuries, what happens if Ben Brown or Jack Reiwoldt (they’re getting Lynch so not best example) goes down.

We all knew Freo would come, would like to know if the club has offered Hogan a contract extension. But if the FD has moved on from him after weighing up potential trades with what we would get in return for him, they then set about doing it with as little disturbance as possible, offering him something modest citing keeping the list together, knowing their offer would fall well short of Freo’s. I still believe if we get 2 x first round picks they could be split and packaged up for May and another ready made player.

He’s played 20 games, he showed a lot rd 22, 23, elimination and semi.

It is exciting, several weeks ago we a realistic chance of not making finals and no first round pick. The emergence of a couple of players and the team evolving as a whole has flipped that on its head.

Purely a trade scenario, a pick alone may be enough, with regards to what pick I’ll leave that up to the FD.

Then we could look at Whitfield/Kelly or similar. Just a suggestion to look at what could happen should we be proactive.

Jetta May Lever Hibberd Frost Salem Brayshaw Viney Shiel Petracca TMac Melksham Hannan Weed ANB Gawn Oliver Harmes Bench Pruess Fritsch Spargo VDB Changes from the Prelim : Fritsch - Jones Shiel - Lewis Pruess - Tyson May - Oscar Lever - J.Smith I would like to add that I do rate Oscar and think he’s developing nicely and played well this year but someone has to miss. I think it’s time to move on from Jones and Lewis, yes they contributed as various stages throughout the season but 0 tackles from your captain in a losing side says a lot.

2 top 10 picks for Hogan, we then split them 1 pick + player for May 1 pick + plus future pick for Shiel or similar There is no reason something like this couldn’t happen. Think big and get it done.

That’s a great point, I think he was standing in the race congratulating the players as they came off the ground after the elimination final against Geelong.

Loved his endeavour, loved watching him play. Most definitely got the most out of his himself. Took some massive marks and I’ll never forget that goal from the pocket.

They should have 2 picks after the Neale trade.

If we were to get picks 4 & 5 (I think that’s what Freo will have) could we not then split them up with other picks/players and land May and a Mid. We need to be creative and go hard.

What’s this “down on form” garbage, why can’t people say he was beaten on the day by a better opponent or team structure”? Its like “He was in AA form at the half way point of the year” or “he’s a gun” then a few games later “he’s still developing” or “he’s about to peak”, which one is it? The in comment now is “Weed’s only really had the one big game”, we’ll at least he has stood up in big game for us.

For arguments sake let’s say we are only going to play two key forwards next year. TMac is clearly our no.1 fwd option so let’s compare Hogan to the Weed instead. It’s hard to compare numbers (ie goals scores) when Hogan has played 71 games to the Weed’s 20 so let’s look at key criteria for key forwards. - Contested marking in a 1 on 1 situation - Contested pack marking - Set shots on goal - Ability to perform in big games - Aerobic capacity - Defesive pressure I would have Hogan ahead of the the Weed in 2 of those categories, contested marking 1 on 1 and aerobic capacity. In another year or two the Weed will have developed his body more and be able to hold his own more. How goid will the Weed be with another 50 games behind him. With regards to shots on goal I didn’t bother looking at goals - behinds ratio because unless Hogan is near directly in front he looks to pass it off. I understand we have a team rule that at times players always look to pass to someone in a better position. Key forwards at crucial times in games need to be able to go back and earn their money. His set shot routine needs work and he’s joined the list of players who snap the ball around their body when 15 metres out on a slight angle. This was started by Stevie J but continued by players who lack confidence. Rd 23 v GWS Weed slotted one straight through the middle from deep in the pocket. And as I and others have stated many times for all of the goals people keep telling us he’s kicked they fail to mention how he continues to go missing in big games, it’s no longer a one off but a trend. As for the recent Goodwin statement that Jesse loves Melbourne and is a required player, that comes with the “but we’re only going to offer him this much because” - Rd 22 through to the semi we played better without him. Same as last year against Adelaide and the Eagles, there is definitely something to this. - He still has areas of his game he needs to work - He no longer has us over a barrel with Weiderman coming along nicely. - With a lot of our players finding form we have to fit them all in Calls for him to play down back are a cop out, we still need quality mids, use the picks to booster that area. Although we got shown up by West Coast, our 4 weeks prior to that was good enough to beat most other teams.

Out of interest Lucifer, which bays are the reserved seating for Redlegs? I have an unreserved Redleg membership and normally sit Level 2 M3-M4 but I think I can sit anywhere from M1-M4. Cheers

Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games.

I posted this in the “other prelim” thread. They finished 4th after round 23 after beating only one side in the top 8 and that was us. In the finals they fought hard in week 1 but lost, won an ordinary game in week 2 and the played the game of their season on Friday night. Effectively and this isn’t sour grapes, one great game for them into the GF.

Some big marks taken last night on the end of some ordinary disposal from both teams due to the pressure. Didn’t see any supporters blaming their respective midfielders.

Very lucky indeed, if the FD did worry about the opinion of the “so called many” we would already have Hogan signed up to a 10 year deal worth 1.4 million a season because apparently he has no flaws in his game and is the best young forward in the game. Luckily the FD understand that he doesn’t have a complete game and such a move would affect our decision to retain other talent.

How many members for Richmond next year.

Games over, I’m just watching now to see the faces of the Richmond players after they lose.

Only top 8 side they beat all season was us, and that was before we clicked. They went over West with a plan and fell short, they were bloody ordinary last week. Tonight they have simply beaten Richmond at their own game. Manic pressure, move it fwd at all costs, next thing the ball bounces your way and you’re looking like millionaire’s. I still think whoever wins tomorrow wins the lot.