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Thanks, Concerning no contract renewal, yet. Trying hard to keep mfcss at bay ...

I also would like to think we can provide a better environment and I think we are much better positioned than North. But unfortunately I see some off-field similarities that may hinder an inexperienced, or even an experienced coach. But hopefully, an experienced coach would have the time and a good chance of 'managing upwards'.

I know zip about Daly so can't comment as a coach. Just like to say that Fagan succeeded isn't an indication Daly might/will. Daly could turn out to be like his predecessor in the Lions GM FD who then became a senior coach, David Noble.

How much further backwards can we go: consecutive bottom 5 finishes !!! Surely, people aren't thinking further backwards!

A possible 5 goal loss hardly fills me with any confidence nor gives me any joy. Nor does the 3 goal loss given our score fest at the end.

Thanks for all your work. I had the 10% wrong, sorry.

I'm offended at being accused of 'hate'. I think you know I'm not one of those supporters who questions everything the club does so its probably best you don't use my posts to express your angst. I also think you know I don't buy into media rubbish - Caro or anyone else ! Give me some credit.

Relax Jaded. I asked a perfectly reasonable question which doesn't deserve the accusation of 'hate'. I don't hate anyone especially someone I don't know.

If that is correct one wonders where his allegiance lies. Not sure what Jobe brings to the panel or whether he has any experience in selection panels, candidate assessment etc Plenty of other more successful ex players to choose from. Jordan Lewis for one. He has had a couple of similar gigs and knows first hand what makes a successful coach.

BUMP! Sorry, no news! Can anyone advise when his contract expires? I thought it was this year but desperately hope I'm wrong! Even if it is next year, hope we extend his contract soon.

imv we won't ever know if the sacking was a mistake. And, the results/success of the next coach are independent of the past. The next coach will be hamstrung for at least the first season because of soft cap limiting assistant coaching/FD changes and contracts limiting list management decisions. And how would his success be measured. Finals Reversing this trend. Win more close games. Scoring efficiency Play 4 quarters. etc I am quietly confident we can make finals next year even tho finals are getting harder; this year 15 wins are needed. imv the critical thing is reversing the trend so winning 13 games and a % greater than 100 will be a success for the new coach. Regardless, it doesn't say anything about sacking Goodwin being a mistake nor does it say Goodwin could or could not have achieved the same results. Time to move on.

Not sure straight sets exit is enough to not renew a contract just two years after a premiership but we may need to agree to disagree on that point. But OK, let's say the Board delayed renewal into 2024. Goodwin had introduced the 'transition' game plan with which we had reasonable results: at round 11 we were 7/4 sitting 4th with a healthy 116.9% heading for finals. Couldn't ask for more than that. To not have renewed his contract by this point would have been very irresponsible. No one could have predicted the downward spiral in the second half of the year.

Regardless of Goodwin's results since the contract renewal or results by his successor there is no way the renewal was a mistake. It was renewed in August '23 after Premiership, 2nd and 4th results. It would expire in '24. There is no way a sane Board would allow that coach to enter 2024 without an ongoing contract. There was no basis to not renew it. Also, in his 2022 contract he left money on the table to not blow the covid soft cap or have to reduce FD staff. The latest contract gave that money back to him, hence the $1m payout. That contract was thoroughly deserved and people who lament the $1m payout could reflect on the circumstances. Given the results at August '23 it could have been tempting to renew for 3 or more years. That the Board renewed it in two year chunks is very responsible.

I'm glad it isn't Alpaca (beef) wellington!! 🙃

Thanks R&BF iirc a 'R' FA is in the top 10% player payments. Not sure all those 'R' are so should they choose to go we can't match the offer. Of course rules may have changed. btw, is Fritsch 31yo?

All good binman. No I didn't think nor mean to imply that in my earlier post. It was about him speaking as if he was blindsided.

I'm positive he knew his job was on the line with or without the Board presentation. By saying the sacking was unexpected and there was no indication the Board presentation was for his job is Goodwin writing his own narrative. Ditto, the only reason given was needing a 'fresh voice'. He knows there were other contributing factors some raised briefly in last night's AFL360.

He didn't use the word 'blindsided' but he said he hadn't expected it and there was no indication the Board meeting presentation might be for his job? That sounds like blindsided to me...

Yes, hence why connected was in 'quotation marks'.

True it would take mere seconds. But someone 'connected' to the club made the conscious decision to inform TM.

Tom Morris broke the news. The question is who leaked it to him? On Monday night a lot of people would have known: Board member/very senior manager or their partners/families. Goodwin or his partner/family/manager/network. A senior player/assistant coach. It needn't be someone who leaked to him in the past. Lever sounded like he was of a mind to find out! But it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Sure. But what did we do when he retired nearly two years ago? It isn't just what they do around the club. Among other things they need to represent the club with media, sponsors, management, future players etc and this takes exposure and practice. I'm not seeing many new faces since Brayshaw retired. As I said Lever, Viney etc need to make way for the younger candidates to officially be leaders.

I'm miffed that we have no discernible succession plan for Max. There was a much touted leaders development program started by Shand at the off-site camp last pre-season. Suspect it fell by the wayside along with his other recommendations. Keep Max, but its time for Viney, Lever etc to make way for some younger guys (eg Rivers, Lindsay, Turner) in the official leadership team.

Its been reported on DL that we have TPP space. If so we can bring forward some of the long term contract payments into this year which iirc ends Oct 31. eg Kozzie, Max, Oliver, Petracca etc. If willing it could be done in a way to shave a year or two off Viney's contract. Same money, fewer years.

No it isn't that bad. imv our list lacks depth (several years of poor trading in of players) and we have messed around the development of our youth. Hence some senior players have played when they shouldn't have. With a fresh mind to define a revised game plan and evaluate the list attributes against that game plan a new coach will start making changes to the list and more importantly to game day selections. It may not all happen this year but with two off seasons we should see real change. We can easily bounce back to finals next year and go deeper in 2027..