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The new CBA allows for a 37% increase in the TPP from now to 2027. So clubs have mega bucks to splash around. Hence the crazy offers from multiple clubs to the likes of Ben McKay, Naughton, Petty etc The new CBA allows clubs to front end new contracts hence why the Crows offer to Petty for year 1 is a reported $1m. We also have that money to splash around and I would be surprised if the offer to Petty doesn't cover that of the Crows.

I've run out of 'storage space' to post images etc. I've been deleting 'attachments' like crazy but to keep the Contracts thread going Andy put me into the 'Contributors' category as it was the only way to increase my storage space.

ha ha, it looks a bit harsh to me. I believe the system chose it... ...Andy might change it.

I'm in a special category

Silvagni is doing his best Dodoro impersonation. The back and forth between the clubs would be mainly by Billing's manager so no surprise that the clubs themselves haven't spoken. Silvagni is there now to sign the paperwork before 7pm for what was agreed.

We don't need to delist Turner or even move Melksham to the rookie list. My figures are based on maintaining the 2023 mix of 36 senior spots and 6 A rookie spots. But notice that we are allowed up to 38 senior players and if we had 38 we would then cut back the A rookie spots to 4, to stay within the max 42 allowed. Usually we max out the rookie spots as a portion of their contract $ is not included in the sal cap. Having said that if we get Billlings we will probably make Melksham a rookie. The Turner decision would then stand alone.

Updated for McAdam trade and have assumed a 3 year contract: We have 4 list spots. On last year's mix that is 2 senior and 2 A rookie spots but that mix can easily change. Melksham's status will probably be decided in the next few days. We can create two more list spots by not renewing K. Turner's and Montz-Wakefield contracts but I'm not suggesting that should happen. In terms of draft picks we will use one to promote Turner ie #93 or whatever it is on draft night. We will need a pick for Brown if we take him but imv it is unlikely to be an existing pick; more likely one traded in on or before draft night. We might end up splitting #42 for a current and a future pick like we did last year, on draft night. We also hold a full suite of future picks and an extra F3 pick which means we can trade our F1 and have flexibility with the other picks. I'm not expecting Sydney and Bulldogs to fare so well next year so their future picks come in quite handy.

Yes, he can be rookied. My guess it will depend on how many picks we take to the draft. Early this week, I think Lamb said they will know decide Melksham's status in the next few days so I assume that means after trade week is over.

I'm not as enamoured as many for pick 1 if it means using our F1 In the next year or two we need to find A-level KPF, KPD and Ruckman. The best will require a top 10 pick or even two in the case of a KPF eg JUH (who has put off contract talks to see how next year goes). Ditto for Ben King. Can't see us having the currency to get those if we trade out our F1. It seems many clubs are copying Dodoro and demanding ridiculous trades for even mediocre players who aren't in their best 22. Unless we have someone on our list/in our sights to replace Brown/McDonald, May, Gawn, I would have been quite happy to trade in another F1 instead of chasing GCS pick 10 (now 11) which will go out to the mid teens. We could still trade in a F1 (and meet the AFL rule to use 3 picks at the draft): pick 6 for the best available midfielder pick 43 for Brown assuming he nominates us pick 93 to promote Turner which allows us to cash in pick 11 (and maybe some other 2024 picks) for the best F1 we can get. But I know it won't happen.

Latest Update for Fullarton. For now have assumed a 3 year contract. There has been no change to the number of list spots: 2 or 3 Senior spots and 1 or 2 A rookie spots depending on what happens with Melksham.

93 went missing as the official AFL draft order list didn't include round 5. I've included it in the latest version in the next post. We can use any pick to upgrade Disco but if all lower picks have been used we can use 93 which by that stage will come in to 60 something. I reckon Melksham's status will be decided after the draft when we see where Brown comes in at and what else happens. Unless we keep pick 43 for Brown we will need to trade in a pick for him which could be on draft night. I reckon there is another 'big' deal to be made so who knows what we end up with.

Updated for the Grundy trade. As Brisbane will want future points I would think the WBD F3 will go to them for Fullarton. Crows will want a future 2nd but don't think that McAdam is worth that. That we have traded in a F2 and F3 pick almost guarantees we will trade out our own F1.

Thank you. Games played will be updated with the final version post draft.

Updated for Harmes trade and F3 pick. Also updated 2023 draft pick order.

Pick 46 is an insult given they also hold #33 (or whatever it is after compensation picks). Not that I think #33 is fair. We gave #27 last year and he hadn't played senior football for months partly due to injury and partly due to Collingwood not selecting him in the last 6 weeks of 2022. Grundy is now injury free and has played the whole VFL/AFL season showing he has fully recovered. We took a risk re his injury last year; there is no risk for Sydney.

Petty will be an FA at end of 2025 so can walk to a club of his choice and we would get a comp pick in the mid to high teens (assuming the comp pick is deemed to be first round). If he goes next year we can negotiate a better deal with Adelaide. Wouldn't want to lose him but if he helps us win a flag or two before he goes then so be it.

The F3 for Harmes will probably get us Fullarton. In terms of the list we need a fwd/ruck backup more than a depth midfielder so I reckon an F3 is a good result. Not to mention the sal cap saving. Having said that love Harmes and love his story of playing for his beloved Demons, the club he supported all his life and earning a flag with them. He lived every kid's dream!! He has come a long way since being rookied so really happy for him and what he has achieved. It wouldn't be easy for him to leave the Deesl. Good luck at the Bulldogs!

Trade demands have now reached ridiculous levels. On Koschitzke: "...out-of-contract 23-year-old has asked for a trade to Richmond, with the Tigers tipped to offer a late selection for the former No.52 draft pick who has kicked 54 goals from 48 career matches. But despite playing him just 12 times this past season the Hawks are asking for a pick around 25, according to multiple reports. Richmond has picks 27, 48 and 66. The Hawks are set to replace Koschitzke with Gold Coast’s Mabior Chol but are willing to offer a future third-round pick for the ex-Tiger. Hawthorn had offered Koschitzke a one-year deal at as little as $150,000, but after offering Chol four years with a trigger for a fifth, according to the Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph. My summary: Koschizke, who has played only half the games his season, is offered a one year deal at $150k and they want a mid second round pick but will only offer a future 3rd for a guy they have offered 4/5 years... I know it is Hawthorn's opening ambit but it is a great way of losing credibility. As an aside, for those that think all AFL players are highly paid take note of the offer to Koschitzke!!

In this article about Murphy nathan-murphy-could-be-forced-to-retire-concussion-history it says: "...the AFL’s general counsel Stephen Meade is expected to make a recommendation to Murphy imminently. The concussion panel earlier this year recommended Sydney’s Patrick McCartin retire after he’s suffered nine career concussions – including eight at St Kilda". I suspect this panel will play a role in Gus' future plans.

Edit: 'Boomer' age range is 59 to 77 so they represent approx 35% of DL per that poll. Discussion is in this thread

Thanks for info. Technically we may not have to promote Disco but it would be shocking optics and quite unfair to not do so. I would think that contract for promotion would already be signed.

May said at the start he probably had a few more drinks than he should have as he hadn't expected to be up there. So his filter was probably a bit askew! But we all loved it! Reckon the 'we should have smoked them' will be on McCrae's white board next KB game. It will go down in Dees vs Pies folklore like 'No duck no dinner'!!! Langdon and May have rekindled the fierce rivalry of the 50's and 60's!!! So bring on the next KB game - it should be a doozie! Lets hope we land the first punch, euphemistically speaking. Well, except for Maynard: some fierce tackling to make him earn each and every touch of the footy the 'old school way' will be in order!!! Give him back some of his medicine dispensed on Langdon and Gus.

Thanks heaps, guys. Your appreciation and that of other posters makes the effort worthwhile!

Thanks for that. If you see the 'veteran spot' confirmed let me know and I will adjust the chart. Yes, it is crazy to use 'Rookie' for Melksham. It matters not to his remuneration or selection but I reckon he deserves better.

During the year when I waded through other club(s) fan sites to do the 'What They Are Saying @...) threads, I noticed some referred to 'Demonland' as 'Boomerland'!! I laughed and laughed but thought better of mentioning it in those threads. The last few pages of this thread suggest this is a good place to drop their little pearl...' !!! 😉