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Thanks. Glad I didn't imagine it! I usually try hard to reference my comments especially where there may be some doubt but this is moving at such a rate it is difficult to keep up.

Thanks dc. Point taken, to take reports with a large grain of salt!I I'm glad your 2 major operations were successful.😊

There was an article reported in this thread somewhere where the family took a call from the surgeon along those lines. I think it has been widely reported that he nearly lost his life.

Thanks for clarifying ... not my part of town 😊

I left it out as I didn't think it was that relevant to what has most people dismayed ie the apparent lack of communication with the family while he was in ICU and its aftermath. I mentioned in another post that I hope our doctors sought feedback from the hospital medicos just to be aware of what was happening. If they did they would have known he almost died on the operating table and that should have been passed on to our player welfare staff and the Roffey. As Andy Maher said, even if there are organisational processes in place a president is within their right to pick up the phone and say: Here is my number, call me anytime. Let me know if there is anything I can do.

Wasn't there another report of this meeting that Christian was there! And there were hugs and handshakes all round. It was reported the players understood his issues but they didn't know how to fix them ...

Succinct as usual, dc. 👏

To me it sounded like she hadn't spoken to either be it in the aftermath of the injury or since. For most of us expressing dismay it is the lack of care and support in in the aftermath of the injury ie the ICU time, that is most concerning.

She isn't doing the club any favours saying conversations have yet to be had when they have. If she hasn't been informed is appalling. If she has and isn't telling fine say so, and your suggested words are excellent.

I had mixed feelings to this part of the interview. From The Age: Did you do enough during the two weeks following his horrific injury? '.........So I’m not sure, again, as I say in the media, a lot of this rhetoric around not enough was done, we need to actually sit down and go, ‘What wasn’t done? What would you have liked to have been done? If we didn’t do enough, you know, we can work through that and apologise’. But I’m not entirely sure what the, I don’t believe it relates to medical care, is probably all I can comment on." The Good: She used the word apologise. The Bad: Suggests there is a bit of rhetoric happening. The Ugly: Says 'we need to sit down and ...". This drama has been on for several weeks and whoever is 'we' hasn't yet sat down and asked those questions!. Its like Nero fiddles while Rome burns! She needs to put a rocket under whoever 'we' is to sit down with Trac and get answer to the questions she poses and if necessary apologise. At least get the story from the horses mouth which apparently she doesn't have or isn't telling.

Agreed. Its also about showing humanity and compassion to the family of and to a hard working and dedicated servant of the club, at a time when they were enduring unimaginable horrors. Such behaviours 'walk the talk' of good culture and good culture should start at the top. Respect begets respect.

I'm beginning to wonder if our doctors were in touch with his family or hospital medical staff while he was in ICU. If so they would have known Christian nearly died on the operating table. I hope to God that info somehow made it to our doctors, to our player welfare staff and to Roffey. I hope it was just an oversight her not saying that other senior people made contact with the family during that critical period. I would be very angry if that was my son and no one bothered to check in.

It didn't sound like any senior person reached out to them while he was in ICU or in the early days when he was in virtual isolation at home. Now, I understand the family being a bit upset and he may have a good case for being disappointed re lack of communication/lack of caring.

Maybe hold back comments until you hear it.

The post I was responding to was Trac's family 'clearly not being interested'. I was referrinng to her lack of contact with his family when he was in icu., not meaning she should have contacted him directly at that time. I can see how it could have been read differently,

What! How did you draw that conclusion. The impression I got she didn't try, even when he was in ICU. It doesn't take long to say: We are concerned is their anything we can do. It didn't sound like anyone else extended that thought either at the time it really mattered ie in the aftermath of the injury.

Managers saying a player is happy and going nowhere is the equivalent of a Board saying a coach has their full support ...

Well done for giving a balanced view.

All fair points. I would expect some fallout over a Vice Captain leaving his home state and club while contracted. imv it is the last point that is causing the angst in our world ie the last straw after a very disappointing year both on and off the field. And it highlights the lack of club leadership in managing the 'turbulence' over the past year.

Tom Barrass: a born and bred WA player 3 years to run on his contract a premiership player the club's Vice Captain has requested a trade across the country to Victoria. Tom Barrass will be traded to Hawthorn. No known trauma, no homesickness. He just pulls up stumps and there is barely a sound. I would have thought his trade is just as big news and just as big a 'betrayal' of club and fans as the potential Petracca trade... I'll let posters reflect on how that has been managed compared to our apparent club and players trashing each other. And please spare me the finger pointing that goes only one way.

A lot is made of Petracca asking for a 7 year deal. It was a typical 5-7 year contract for our better players: Salem, Brayshaw, Viney, Oliver. They were all signed coming into FA and were related to terms ($/years) other clubs would offer. I don't recall anyone holding a gun to Lamb's or Richardson's heads to sign any of those deals. Realistically all hell would have broken loose if any of them went elsewhere as FA's and we received an AFL comp pick in the mid to high teens. I get people are frustrated with the current uncertainty but some circumspection when hyperbole is generated by the unthinking, click bait motivated media, would be handy on here. I'm not saying he doesn't have an obligation to fulfill his contract just that the 7 years wasn't unusual for us or the industry for those players.

With all our own dramas, this event has gone unrecognised. changes-that-helped-greater-western-sydney-giants-star-jesse-hogan-finally-realise-his-potential Rapt for Jesse after a checkered career to date. Great reward for his hard work. Still one of my favourite players. He (and captain Toby) are the only reasons the finals hold any interest. Hope Jesse adds a 🥇 to the Coleman and holds up 🏆

My reference to 'people at the club' included players ... they might be peeved at Petracca but why are they going to the media... imv people at the club and people for Petracca are feeding this fiasco. The sooner it gets taken behind closed doors and everyone shuts up the better.

All that may be correct. . But who is going to be the 'bigger person' and try and sort it out rather than beat each other over the head in the media. I see only the club can initiate that. To some extent I wonder if it suits the club to have this horrible side show as it detracts from the other issues at the club. While not specific the club has said there are issues. Christian could end up being the fall guy in more ways than one. tbh, I'm shattered at what is happening to Christian, to our beloved club, to us supporters. As I've said the only way I see an end to the public agony is to get a mediator. I wonder what happened to that 'Leading Teams' that worked with PJ in the early days. Then one of that team stayed as PJ's direct advisor. (Note it wasn't the same team the Crows used.) I've tried hard to not play the blame game, consider both sides and seek a path to a resolution one way or the other; a futile quest. Anyway, I'm out.

I guess we will never know where all the leaks are coming from. The club has acknowledged there are issues among which are player complaints. What I think the club is responsible for is allowing things to get to the point where the club is divided. I don't know who is advising the club on its comms but as you say it is very messy and imv sometimes inconsistent. I didn't like the hard line on 'contracted'. imv the club just has to get this to a negotiating table and get it out of the media as best as one can.