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But they did talk on the phone - King was pretty busy with the GF at the time. We don't know the details of that discussion. And from what we now know Lamb was hell bent on moving him, Oliver and May out. Trac would have known that from the exit interviews, mfc grapevine etc so it would be fair to say there was little value in meeting with King.

This thread https://demonland.com/forums/topic/66964-exclusive-interview-with-paul-guerra-steven-king-steven-smith/#comment-2756682 makes a strong case for the whole club being in one location. Management and the Board would have been closer to what was happening in the FD and the locker room rather than having it filtered by the coach, GMFD, CEO.

Two comments stood out for me: "Goodwin felt betrayed by Richardson". It seems lack of trust wasn't limited to the locker room! Its no wonder the FD as a whole ended up such a mess. "King was open to keeping premiership stars if list boss Tim Lamb wanted to ... but Lamb made it clear that moving on Oliver, Petracca and May, even messily, was best for the club." With Goodwin gone Lamb had clear air to make critical list management decisions that were long overdue.

Everyone looks better in red and blue ❤️💙🙂

Not bad given he played only 77% game time! Thoroughly deserved BOG.

And that is exactly what he wants. Going to GCS shows the big crowd/big club stuff was a bit of a furphy made up by media and disgruntled fans.

Some fact checks: He did not add an extra year to his contract. To say we didn't get his best in the last few years is totally wrong. In 2024 he played 12.5 games and still ended up 20th in the Brownlow and was mfc highest vote scorer. When he was injured we were equal 7th on the ladder. (11th on %). Our 2024 season crashed after he was injured. 2025 wasn't his best but it was still very good. He didn't have the speed with us. At mfc his training was for a power/burst role. Now it looks like GCS have modified his training regime to include speed, making him a more balanced player. Even his body shape looks a bit different. He didn't have the accuracy when he played with us. G Lyon said he has been working with GCS kicking coach. Did we have one? Our team was full of other 'pie floater' players. And GCS fwd of centre is more open whereas our players kicked into congestion. Goal kicking, set shots were poor but shots on the run and snap shots were very good with us. He wants to play for a big club. Clearly that isn't true. He plays in a different team, to a different game plan with clearly motivated players, advantages he didn't have in recent years at mfc. So folks, think or do some research before posting myths dressed up as facts.

Quite right loyalty and honouring contracts goes both ways. How much did the club show Oliver and May? And while it was a different regime, to Jr Mac? To Watts. To Hogan. People will say different circumstances but folks can't cherry pick examples that suit their biases. Btw, no matter how disappointed people are the last line is quite distasteful.

Hey Dz ... what happens in 15 weeks ... trade week is more like 26/27 weeks away

I reckon it will be TA and either Coll or Rich as TA use will mainly be in the footy offseason/preseason.

Like many other games of recent years, the GWS win was a leadership vacuum issue; not so much GWS playing in OR. Max was taken off the ground late in 4th qtr. Their makeshift ruckman then marked i50 and goaled virtually on the siren. While Max and Viney are very fine leaders in the trenches and lead by example there isn't much footy IQ or tactical nous there. fwiw. I reckon we will be 3-3 or with a bit of luck 4-2.

Effectively a two year extension. Good for us and keeps him out of Tassie's clutches - he was on their hit list!

May's contract gone end of this year. End of 2027 Max will have retired or if he stays probably on much less $. Ditto end of 2028 for Steele, Viney, Mihocek. That should all add to quite a few dollars ... $3m? by end of 2028. The club can move other contracts forward or back around the above known salary space. Plus the ability to under/over spend the cap so smooth it over several years. No need to worry. Sal cap is a bit smoke and mirrors!

Joined Collingwood a few weeks ago. https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/1947981/greg-stafford

The issue with Casey and Waverly is the lack of effective public transport. It isn't just players and coaches. Currently we would have lots of admin staff and FD staff that don't need to go to training (but sometimes do) who live on all sides of the CBD/MCG. We risk losing them located at sites lacking public transport to attend 5 days per week. And we would find it harder to attract new staff to those locations. Caulfield works because it is very well served with trains and trams directly from Flinders St and Richmond stations.

Why can't they just put mats over the track to make a walkway for the duration of training. Reckon horse's hooves do more damage to a track than people walking on it a few times a week. And by Caulfield Cup day our training is over for the year so plenty of time to allow the track to heal. Movement on the track can be managed in other ways before other race meetings. And if this is to be a community, walk the dog space how do they manage their impact on the track !!!! The whole damage to the track and a year of non-racing seem to be 'red herrings'. Not sure why our Board is pushing so hard for a tunnel if it is a deal breaker as there are other simpler alternatives.

Re watch the video. Oliver and May did also. There may have been other demon players not shown on camera. I'[m not sticking up for Trac, I loathed the behaviour of all those players but to call out one player requires all those involved to be called out.

Clarrie is travelllng very well. afl.com.auThe pre-season attitude that has Oliver primed for Giant...Adam Kingsley is confident Clayton Oliver can rediscover his best at the Giants Very committed and training like the Clariie of old.

Thanks for info. Any idea why? My fear is we will never get out of there ... sub standard facilities forever! It would be more acceptable if it accompanied an announcement and a commitment, by all stakeholders, to Caulfield. Meanwhile, Eddie's Collingwood ride the coat tails of the TA, government $millions,extension into the neighbouring AAMI, Gosch, MCG precinct.

Report on mfc website melbournefc.com.auMatch simulation report | Windsor runs rampantThird-year Demon Caleb Windsor looked at home through the midfield.Not to sure what to make of the opening paragraph: "The below match report has been produced by Melbourne Media, and does not represent the views of the club or coaching staff". Is such a disclaimer necessary or even desirable? (Bold typeface is how it was written). Good governance would require someone at the club (in this case the FD) to review media releases to ensure everyone is on the same page so no need for disclaimers !!!

@george_on_the_outer Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I found a way to copy the posts into this thread.

Ditto ❤️💙 We only need to finish 10th to play 'Finals'. That is about 11 games. People forget that our premiership team had about 10 players with less than 50 games. We have enough expereince in every line to help the kids. Select 23 healthy and hungry players each week and watch them shine!

Thanks. Was hoping for next week as can't go tomorrow. Anyone know if the club is live streaming it. North are doing that with theirs.

Tomorrow or next week?

Sadly, the JV situation will become an 'own goal'. We extended his contract in 2024 for 3 years on top of the 1 year he had left. This isn't hindsight. His injuries were well known and there was no need to rush as several of us pointed out at the time. He is contracted to the end of 2028 on a sizeable contract and on his current injury/preseason it is hard to see him playing out the contract. We know that with King he won't be gifted games. Whether he plays a handful of games each year or we pay him out it will be a burden on our sal cap carrying his $ to 2028, Brayshaw $ to 2028 and Oliver $ to 2030.