Lucifers Hero

The Contract thread is pinned at the top of the Demons Forum Link to the thread itself: The latest is discussed toward the end of the thread. I also put the latest at the top of page 1 of the thread for easy reference.

Latest changes: Added ND39 from the JJ move to Sydney Added Fullerton to the list Show the list changes identified, yet to be completed (names in blue) Melksham is staying. Yet to decide if it as a senior listed or rookie listed player. It probably won't be decided until time of the draft. It won't affect the list size, just the mix. My guess is he will be a rookie as we may need the senior list to cover all the departures. If that guess is correct the chart would show 3 senior and 1 A rookie list spot, That is a very tidy draft hand we hold!!

I Don't underestimate the fwd role at all nor what JvR did. Happy for the kid but that he got himself suspended when we needed him most devalues his year somewhat. That McVee is ahead of other defenders says he more than held his own without depending on May, Lever etc

McVee 5th after 16 rounds. Love JvR but reckon McVee deserves the Best Young Player outright!

Great to see my boy, McVee at equal 9th.❤️💙 A very consistent year so should be right up near the top 10 by the end. Best New Player Award has to be his!!!

Did you see our very own @Bitter but optimistic Perhaps you didn't recognise him if he was still wearing his 'KISS After Party' make up!! And, KISS would have fitted in well looking 'ghostly' white!!

Was he? He got only 6 Brownlow votes for the games before injury. Without checking I'm not sure he got many BOG coaches votes prior to injury. The reports about him leaving hospital, going for a run, self tattooing, going to an outside physio aren't examples of a team player. A lot has changed since 2021. Then he adopted for himself the motto 'to be a better teammate'. By various accounts that hasn't been the case in more recent times.

The trading process started late last week with the List Managers/Recruiters annual meeting to discuss their list status and trade posibilities. To flag mfc being 'open to a trade' all it had to do was leave Clarrie off the so called 'untouchables' list. Or there was some other mechanism at that meeting to flag mfc's position. Naturally, clubs started doing their homework. It was only a matter of time before the info reached Twomey and Beveridge. MFC didn't leak a possible Oliver trade - it is part of the trading process. This also answers the question of how other clubs came to know that mfc was open to trading him. It is worth noting that his management made no comment and the club has not denied the story. Clubs don't let Oliver type players go without exceptional reasons. We don't know what they are but shouldn't doubt that being open to trading him is the result of a long and considered process.

This is the best I could do. Couldn't find a suitable wig. Worth noting the collar is a good match!! I nearly put an after-party cocktail frock on Bbo so that he is suitably attired for that event but have run out of time. Probably just as well... As might be expected he is surreptitiously lurking in the background... I hope to God he doesn't see this as I doubt Luci will ever be forgiven...or he will make my life on DL pure hell... In case he does see this...it is...um...just a bit of fun...😉

From a long way out I thought this was our year. I was so confident we would be in the GF I booked a city hotel for this weekend. To enjoy the festivities, see the city awash with red and blue and make up for missing the fanfare in 2021. I'm still in disbelief that we aren't at the G today. I truly believe we should be there and my confidence wasn't misplaced; there was no way to predict the impact of thuggery and our appalling goal kicking. As it is now not a Coll vs Carl game I will watch it cosseted as it were at the home of Dees supporting friends. Having to barrack for Daniher and Zorko is rather sickening but there is no other way. Go Roy boys!!!!

Agreed. We are truly at the stage of anyone/anywhere. The only ground we haven't conquered is in Adelaide but right now the chances of playing there this year are few. Given our current form I reckon we would conquer that also!

Grundy just can't take a trick right now. A terrible faux pax by all involved: carrie-bickmore-apologises-to-brodie-grundy-over-mortifying-blunder Feeling a bit sad for him. It must be awful for him to watch Coll play in the GF. But then again not sure what he expected in the interview/chat.

Some of our hardest games are yet to come but: we play Crows and Freo at Casey - big advantage for us. we have beaten Lions at their ground in a GF The other two games are Eagles in Perth and North We may not go undefeated and I prefer we don't take that 'monkey on our back' into finals but it is difficult to see how we don't make top two from here and get Home finals, albeit probably not at Casey.

This includes known but as yet unactioned changes. It also updates the list status and draft pick status. I will add these updates to the top of this thread so folks don't need to search the text to find the latest...as @DeeZone has foreshadowed there will be quite a few !!

Not sure why folks are so perturbed about Grundy not playing nor being selected as sub. Last year he was ready to play at about round 18/19. He played several weeks in the VFL and he was ready to go in the seniors. Coll did not select him for the last few rounds nor for their 3 finals. Nor did they select him as sub for any of those games. A similar scenario as this year at mfc. We will never know if he would have helped us win a final. Whatever the reason I don't see any reason to criticise the club/coaches for his non-selection. Maybe we discovered what Coll knew or have similar reasons for not playing him. There is precedent here.

You scored the double! Well done.

The family have accepted the offer of a State Funeral.❤️💙

Yes, I mentioned it would have affected the QF. Ralph's so called 'senior club official' belief was in relation to the SF vs Carlton.

bb You are right we have put ourselves in that situation. I don't mind fair criticism based on even a modicum of analysis or constructive dialogue. It is the cheap shots, sometimes wrong, that the sheep following media jump on give those narratives a life of their own that I don't like.

Agreed. It goes thru it is a goal but reckon that might be a bridge to far right now.

As a few other posters have mentioned of late it was 17410. A theme picked up in this excellent article: the-enormous-numbers-that-show-why-barassi-belongs-on-footy-s-mount-rushmore. "...Anyone who scored Ron Barassi’s prized signature would remember the accompanying number beneath it – 17410..." So it is interesting that he used 31 as well as 17410 that day. Maybe the 31 is now the better souvenir!

If it is Carlton vs Collingwood I'm not watching it!!

Does anyone have the full list in the 'worst kick' rating? Somewhere I read Petracca came in at #60. Before condemning him shouldn't we know how many players they rated. If it is 100 he looks OK, if it is 500 he looks pretty bad. And at 60 we can't put him in the same category as Oliver and Viney. And where is some analysis ie Criteria for defining and ranking 'poor kicks'. What about the ratio of those to total kicks. Where do the mids from other teams sit on their ranking. In the past players like Dangerfield and Dusty have been well down these sort of rankings. Comparisons would make more sense if there were categories eg for ruckman, mids, forwards etc. Total kicks Common sense (yes I know it isn't very common) says the more kicks you have the more will be 'poor'. Sigh, It seems it is 'open shooting' season on our beloved dees. I really don't like it - its like kicking someone while they are down.

Too many goals and games this year were decided on fuzzy vision of 'fingernail' touches of the ball. It is guesswork both by the umpire and whoever is viewing ARC. The AFL needs to change this. An option would be that if the ball is 'touched' by fingers or fingertips while the ball is in the air it is a goal! It would need to be touched by the palm, back of the hand or arm. Or have a variation of that with a more substantial definition of 'touched'. A rule change is especially required for when a flimsy touch is on a ball in the air in the goal square.

Related to this a nasty narrative is developing: “On Monday journalist Jon Ralph revealed “senior figures” at the Demons believe the Brayshaw fallout contributed to the team’s semi-final loss....A strong belief from senior figures still a week on is that the Angus Brayshaw furore derailed their finals pitch,” he said On the Couch. “That the players were shell shocked to witness Brayshaw concussed and laid out cold." Now every media outlet will run with it. Ralph's claim is being talked up as MFC making 'excuses' which is not something we do. From what I saw the KO affected the QF but not the SF. I have no time at all for Ralph and this is a bizarre claim without providing any substance. Just assumption, embellishment and guess work. Click bait at its worst. I'm annoyed that Lyon didn't call him out on it.