Moonshadow

?????? "please explain?"

How many other young ruckmen take fresh air shots when lining up to kick a goal?!!! Having said that, we just don't know what will become of Spencer. He is certainly a hulking lad who gives 110%. That tackle a couple of weeks ago was a ripper. And he works hard to get in front at the contest. Very slow, though. With more patience, more games and more coaching, he might prove he can play. ATM, I don't think he will be worth anything much at the trade table. I suspect Stef Martin might be worth more - has played more games and shown he can do well as a no1 ruck. Most of us wanted Jamar axed 5 or 6 years ago. They do take longer to develop. Not saying we shouldn't get rid of Spencer, just that I don't think he's worth much.

Quite a few of the rising star winners have/are turning out to not fully live up to their promise. Pearce, Kosi, Rich, Palmer and (to some) Jared Rivers. Pass.

On a side note, Nate's little brother was 14 at the time. Anyone know if he's in the footy system and what he's like as a player?

Yes, but it depends on who and how many Neeld wants to turn over. May not be the issue if he wants to clear a large number, as Harrington has indicated. But you are on the money with wanting to upgrade picks.

I've always enjoyed looking at both 'ology and 'land, partly because they are quite different. Some say the mod here is too nanny-like, but I think that encourages less sniping and ridiculous posting. There tends to be more considered reasoning, it is more structured and, dare I say it, respectful. Generally, that is - many would shoot this down. On the other hand, I have also liked 'ology for its emotion, biting humour and often obscure football related discussions. For various reasons, there is more of an almost anything goes approach. I have tried to sign up, but like many others over the years, have not been able to. It has been great having some of the characters from 'ology migrate to 'land recently and add a large amount of spice to the discussions. My question is, would we be diluting what has made both forums enjoyable by only having one? Or are we better off having 2 different forums, each having its own style or characteristics?

Very clumsy attempt by Zeibell at intercepting. Regardless of where his eyes were, it looks like he was trying to make maximum physical impact on his opponent while disguising it as an attempt to make the play. Resulted in severe concussion. With 30% loading I think 4 matches was probably to be expected. However, I agree that the MRP have been full of inconsistencies this year.

And the reciever of a handball has a higher risk level than a kick, in that the receiver of a handball can be tackled. That is why you will find clubs like the Hawks and Pies chip the ball around so deftly by foot. And then we handball to a stationary team mate who gets pinged...

Nate Jones puts his head over the ball more than Tappy and Clark, much more.

Doesn't mean he can't be traded if a suitable deal came along.

I believe someone on here said that Neeld (or someone within the FD) has indicated that there will likely be considerable turnover of players at seasons end. Neeld seems like the sort of guy who knows what he wants and makes the necessary decisions to get the job done. He won't want to trade players that fit his plans and that includes tough inside mids, even if they are sometimes considered depth players. Having said that, everyone has their price and if the right deal was offered, we might just see a Tapscott for Caddy, or Jamar for Boak, or Silvia for Beams, or pick 4 for GWS 17yr/o deal get done. It is widely agreed that you need to give something good to get something good. We may have to face giving up a well-liked player in order to receive a pick or player of value. Offering our trash, particularly 2 or 3 players of low value will not buy a star, as some seem to believe. Lets be realistic.

And just what are you trying to put forward? Nothing new here. Yeah, we all know our kicking efficiency is not good. Tell us something we don't know, Blind Freddy.

Neeld loves him. Didn't he say something in a DeeTV draft discussion something about Melbourne needing more grunt? That he would put his faith in a grunt stopping Dane Swan on a queens birthday Monday? Didn't refer to his name, but was talking about a late pick or rookie selection. Was pretty clear that it was Magner and perhaps Couch. Every other team could have drafted Magner before us if they wanted to, and they didn't.

Really good point you make O50. Geelong have also had strong elements of that culture, which came out in 2 of their 3 flags. Can turn a good team into a great team. It is the antithesis of what we have ATM. If we can instilled a small amount of that in our Casey based MFC players we benefit in the long term. Could be a positive of not rushing Cook, Fitz, Gys, etc into the seniors before they 'earn' it.

Amazing what predictive text can do four spelling!

Yes, I see your point. However, I hardly think GWS or GC will take what CS has to say seriously. They know what they have to do to make us take him, and so far they have both indicated that they will do just that. I was making the point (separate from yours) that it annoys me to hear CS talk about the list and up coming draft as if it is his place to manage that. It was one of the main criticisms of him last year, that he tends to get involved unduly in matters of the FD.

I did like the tread title on Demonology that said something like: "Jamar admits: I only like the tapping part!"

God no please!

Honestly, get over it. And if a young 'gun' wanted to come to us in similar circumstances...? I think we'd be rubbing our hands together with delight. This Scully sooking is getting very boring.

Is this CS picking the list again? What MFC team did he write on a napkin this time? Keep your hands out of the football dept, Cam. Not impressed, if true.

Honestly, we are hardly top 4 material so let's stop puffing our chest out to denigrate a young man who will, in all likelyhood, prove to be a very good player, whatever he is paid. Sure, he's not staring ATM, but there's a reason he was pick 1 and is on good coin. FFS, we are 1 game + % off last place! I find it interesting to read threads about who'd we like (or not) to get with FA and RFA coming in at the end of the year. We won't hear any players saying before the season is finished that they'll be leaving for greener pastures. Yet many of us hope like hell that one or two come across to us, and you can be sure that MFC will currently be in the ear of managers for Cloke, Chapman, Sewel, et al. They'd be stupid not to be. Is that why we are so p!ssed with Scully, that he wasn't honest with us? Or is it that he's left to earn more $ than we could pay him, money that will set him and his family up for life? It is not that I particularly like the guy or follow his career, it's just that I can't see the point in wasting time and energy carrying on like a child about it. It makes us look like a bunch of sooks. Surely we have greater issues to discuss, considering where WE are at now.

Unduly rough contact? Intentional? Contact severe? Just shoot the dog.

Oh, well its sorted then. Thanks for letting us know. We were all concerned.

Yeah, I think you are right on that one. Martin seems to really enjoy having the first ruck roll to himself. He seems to need consistency and continuity in one position. Looks more settled covering the ground as a whole and not being kept solely up forward, in the back line or on the pine.

I reckon it won't be long before Judd starts squirrelling or doing a Hopoate. Great player, champion, but what a weasel act to do to a defencless player on the ground. If I was a Norf supporter, I would be very proud of my players reaction to Judd's arm twist. Putting him straight on his arse.