binman

Watts on in the first?

We won that game

Yep. I was being a bit facetious. I rate max. The problem is how poor our midfield is.

That would be the our defensive side of the centre bounce?

He'll be even better when the player he taps it to is a team mate

So to be clear you think we should let him go?

Some positivity? I backed the total match points under 159. Freo will have to score 158 for me to lose

Love your work rtg. You're one dees fan who isn't cloaked in a veil

Good call

Totally agree. I don't get why they did. Just dug a deeper, even messier hole. Surely they could have done it in house - ie got the staff together and said don't worry crew we know all is positive here. Instead they gave the story more oxygen and worse, cheesed off a whole bunch of supporters, some of whom who had just paid good money to watch one of the worst displays in years on Sunday. As I've said i'm a big fan of both but they stuffed up this one.

100% agree. His comments were unequivocal. The whole club is the whole club. I'm a big fan of Roos and Jackson but they've both stuffed up here. Now there will have to be another back peddle from Jackson. We almost got to the end of the season without a major drama and now this. I heard a lot of KB today and he was merciless in his parody about it all being the fans fault. I went to a pre game function against the Roos and Daniel McPherson banged on about how important positive starts were and that it was something we were really focused on getting right. We then go out and don't turn up 'till the second quarter. The following two weeks we don't turn up to half time! Yes its the players responsibility to 'turn up' but jeez it's also the coaching staff's responsibility to ensure they do. KB said in the last 3 weeks we have kicked 3 first quarter goals and the opposition has kicked 21. Two goals to half time against the blues and dogs. You have to be joking. A veil of negativity? You bet.

Like most fans i have endured some woeful days at the footy. But i don't recall ever being as disappointed and fed up as yesterday. At least in the late 70's and eighties we had Robbie to watch when we ere getting flogged. Yesterday was beyond pathetic. So many week efforts. Could pick any number out but Dawes and Lumumba top of my list. And although i've always been a fan Garland was also woeful yesterday. For some reason i assumed it was a home game so my day started poorly when i had to cough up $25. Adding my annoyance was that as usual - and despite there being a crowd of over 30k the bar at the top of the Ponsford (where i sit) was closed. Drives me nuts, particularly when the lame answer from staff is that it is because staffing cost too much. So i pay $25 to subsidize the bloody g. If they charge full price you should get full bloody amenity. And of course a biggish crowd means the one bar open in the stand has massive lines. Agree 100% with George on the Outer game review. One of the reasons i went and gave up family time was the statements from Roos and Rawlings that we would be fired up. Well we weren't. It was embarrassing. making it somehow worse was our predicable second half come back. We could have actually won if we had kicked straight and not missed some sitters and we if stopped just kicking to to their spare defender. To top things off Cripps killed us and perhaps sewed up the Risng Star, costing me more money. The only positives for mine was Michie, who had a go and apart from Watts is just about the only player who seems to be able to master the basic skills of kicking to a forwards advantage. Watts was also good i thought, took a nice contested mark and laid a great tackle, which he scored form. A woeful day that just about taken the wind out my sails when it come to the dees.

Bb you made a good case for Lumumba having been poor this season, particularity the point about how low his possession count is. Unfortunately for the dees Lumumba made an even stronger argument last week against the doggies. He was woeful, particularly in terms of how weak his tackling was.

You're kidding right?How nany of our players would get a game with them? How many of their players would get a game with us?

I agree. Tempted to have a really big go at the demons for a win or the line (with a smaller bit on over 39.5)

Got me. I used to be an anarchist but we could never agree on meeting times or consistent agendas

Ben, i must admit i kind of like your tough guy, I'm Derryn Hinch and you're not shtick. It can be quite funny. But i f i can offer some constructive criticism you might want to dial back the irony a bit. A little bit of irony can add to the laugh factor but too much means a good riff can fall flat. Take the post quoted above: Me taking my self too seriously? Seriously (pardon the pun)? Anyone aware of your posting history knows that you seem to take yourself incredibly seriously, with your black and white views, general surliness and belief that you alone know football (and politics for that matter). You don't give a rats toss bag about where i sit on the the political spectrum? Then why twice post your opinion about what you guess to be my political allegiances? You tell me Clint Eastwood style to 'keep walking' and not bother to engage in conversation yet continue to reply to my posts. Anyway comrade its been nice chatting and i look forward to more chats in the future.

Nup sorry, I'm going to believe the rumours again. Danger a dee works foe me

Love for him to replace Lloyd on fc

Other clubs have finals. We have the trade period

Pure comedy gold. I assume the irony is unintentional but if not well played. Oh and you have no clue where I sit on the political spectrum. Though it is clearly important for you to be able to pigeon hole people. Perhaps it helps you to understand the world. If its all the same to you, when I feel like commenting on one of your posts i will. Don't feel the need to reply though. That would feel too much like a conversation

Perhaps we don't all see the world in a binary left - right paradigm. A paradigm that completely fails to take into account the modern political reality of centrist labor and Democratic governments. But by all means carry on with an out dated world view.

My side of politics? how would you know what my side of politics is?

On that we can agree

That's (I assume unintentionally) funny. Because single term liberal governments just make so many smart decisions