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Yep, agree with all points, except perhaps the very last one (need to give that some thought). I think from a coaching perspective, a barrier to implementing a faster game style was he was still very focused on zones, structure and players playing very specific roles. Hard to play on instinct when you're trying to remember where you're supposed to he or what your role is. That said there's a funny irony in Sundays game. We are the long bomb team, not the one Goody is involved in.

Spot on chook. This post perfectly highlights the subtext of my post - everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts. I'm a great believer that a great start to any debate, particularly a contentious one, is first establishing the set of agrreed facts. Too often people blur fact and opinion, one reason why I so often preface comments with 'in my opinion'. That the gus incident cost us a flag is an opinion, one you quite reasonably don't share. But the fact is, as you point out Daicos did not play so the unlike the dees, the pies: Did not have to use their sub 10 mins into the game Could plan for Daicoss absence pre game, not in game as Goody and his tea had to do Did not have to deal with the trauma of having a much loved player brutally knocked out 10 mins into the game They are all facts. How those facts influenced the result of that game, and our chances of winning the flag, are a matter of opinion.

Indeed. I'd add, rate Goody or don't rate him, whilst opinion is by definition subjective, facts are facts and by definition objective. And these are the facts: Goody has coached 203 senior AFL games, winning 57% of those games Goody has coached 10 finals at a 50% win rate Goody has won a won a flag (at club that had not won one for 57 years) I've not checked, but I'm guessing historically those numbers put Goody in very rare air in terms of VFL/AFL senior coaches In the year before he got the senior coach gig, 2016, the dees won 10 games and finished with a percentage of 97 In his first year of senior coaching, 2017, we won 12 games, and we finished ninth, with the equal number of points as the Bombers and Eagles who finished 7th and 8th respectively - missing finals by the smallest margin ever, 0.5% In 2017 Goody implemented a number of innovations, the most famous of which was the 'flying V' from half back that many believe was the driver for thw AFL bringing in the 6-6-6 rule In his second year, 2018, we won 14 games, finished 5th, had a percentage of 131.4 (remarkably, 3rd highest of any team) and made the prelim And before losing the prelim in 2018, Goody coached two finals wins (Cats and then Hawks at the G) that many dees fans who went, me included, rate as among the very best footy experiences of their lives In the back half of the 2018 season, we were widely considered to be playing the most exciting, aggressive footy in the AFL - much like the Swans and Dees this year, we were hyper aggressive with our ball movement and a hell of a lot of fun to watch Perhaps recognising he didn't have the player profile that game plan demanded to win a flag, he instead retooled his entire method and built a game plan famously underpinned by contest and defence, one that better suited our list profile, and in particular that of our very best players - Tracc, Clazz and Viney Yep, we went out in straight sets in 2022 and 2023, but we finished top 4 both seasons and if my memory serves me correctly, we set a club record (and possibly an AFL/VFL record?) for number of weeks in the top 4 Goody has been appointed Director of Coaching and Performance at the Swans - that's fact, my opinion is that the Swans, a club widely respected, are exceedingly unlikely to have made that appointment if they didn't rate Goody very, very highly The Swans are playing a hyper aggressive ball movement that has the Swans playing high scoring, dominant football - that's fact, it's my opinion that logic suggest Goody has been a big driver of that model given he is responsible for 'team strategy, training implementation, and overall offense' This is opinion, not fact but my view is if Brayshaw did not get knocked out against the Pies we win the flag in 2023. And i also have the opinion the trauma from that event, and of Gus's subsequent forced retirement, had an extraordinary impact on the whole club and was massive factor in things unraveling from 2024.

I'm confused OD. We beat the suns, but that's not as impressive now given the Suns subsequent form. Have I got that right? The lions were unbelievably impressive in their win yesterday over the crows. Based on your system, what does that mean for your assessment of our victory over the reigning premiers last week?

i was a big byron fan, but koz went past him a long time ago.

I'd rather he didn't actually given he has been credited as being a key driver of their new, hyper agressive ball movement that has the Swans playing such high scoring, dominant football. As Director of Coaching and Performance at the Swans, Goodwin is responsible for 'team strategy, training implementation, and overall offense.'

I opened this thread - but obviously not for a year as it opened on the post above (my first unread post). I read it initially thinking it was a recent post - and agreed with it. You were you right then DF and your right now. Like nibbla, chin has become a critical player - culturally, leadership wise and with his incredible running power and work rate to the game plan.

Is that your stand rule?

D9nt draftees get a minimum 2 year contract?

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Is that panel buying, holding or selling shares in: Jeffo Laurie Adams XT Cross Henderson

Can the panel do a quick review of their preseason selections for breakout players and players under the pump.

Not in Victoria 31? No public holiday here on Monday

Yet, it didn't translate into clearance or scores from stoppages dominance.

Yeah, I thought that too. Didn't translate to dominating clearances, but impressiv nonetheless.

@WheeloRatings the quarter by quarter stats ate particularly useful for thus game as much of the data, in particular contested possession and ball winning equity points, is completely skewed by the blow out numbers in the last quarter. Yze made that same point in his presser when he said their focus pre game was winning the contest and stoppages, which he noted they lager did for the first quarters. They simply don't have the legs atm to play out games or quarters - reminds me of us last year (though we were never that far behindvthr 8 ball). I made the point on the preview pod yesterday that having 12 best 22 out obviously hurts talent wise, but also running power and fitness wise. But I also made the point, when running thru your match preview data, that we basically had the same average age and games played as them - something you wouldn't know watching the replay the way they kept talking about how young the tigers were

Or portoloos

It's all about leg speed and run od

Spot on I honestly could not care a jot about tracc. He's not a dee anymore, and good luck to him that he's playing well for the suns. C'est la dee.

Doesn't surprise me for three reasons. One he looks super fit. Two, he's genuinely quick Three, he has a great leap and is surprisingly good aerially. Meaning when we bomb it into the forward line he can bring it ground. All big ticks in terms of how King wants us to play. Oh, and four - once added to our list King picked him after just the one VFL game.

Why do you think King did so before his injury then?

That's not really true - yes Riv trained as mid in the previous two seasons, but he was given sufficient midfield minutes to determine if he's suited to the role. And IMO the conclusion is he isn't - particularly the way footy is being played in 2026. The optimal centre square set up now is: one true inside mid, who often has some defensive responsibilities (not tagging per se, but defensive accountability) - Steele (with Sparrow providing the chop out) has as that spot sewn up atm two mids with genuine acceleration, who can get out the front of the stoppage and hit a target inside 50 - Koz is the exemplar of that role, and has one of those spots locked up and Windsor the other (has the speed, would love for him to improve his kicking) Riv does not have the acceleration or kicking skills to play the latter role - and i can't see him replacing Steele or Sparrow in the inside mid role, particularly with Viney (hopefully) back at some point. That leaves half back, or perhaps the tall winger role that Culley and Langford are playing. I'm a Riv fan, but it might well be that trading him (perhaps for some high draft picks to provide some tassie insurance) at seasons end is the prudent call.

I think so