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Ticketmaster - woeful. I've had a GUTFULL!

Start as you mean to go on.

True. But they've got as many cups as the dees in my lifetime.

Didn't have any, so can't comment But the venue and footy facilities are great - they've done a realy good job with the redevelopment. It's got a great feeling of being the doggies home grounds (they've got a tiny museum with their premiership cups and photos ans memorabilia of various eras which is worth checking out). Amd it feels really integrated into the surrounding community. Oh, and the surface us immaculate.

How good? Berry good.

It's funny you should say that as i exact same thought. I discounted the idea that he might have cracked the sads because he wasn't picked last week because, well, surely he didn't.

I went and kept a close eye on our listed players. AMW was excellent all day and looked a cut above. Looked fit too. he'll be in the ones next week or the week after i reckon. I thought Paddy Cross was pretty good, and Laurie was good too. Agee on Taylor - i was disappointed with his game, though was better in the second half. Agree he needs to get AFL fit and strong, but i was more concerned with his body language, which i thought was poor at times. And I'm hoping perhaps he was under the weather or some such as his intensity and competitiveness was not what i expected it to be, both from the perspective of it being his first game and that competitiveness was supposed to be his one wood. Mathews worked hard and is a natural crumbing small forward. A lot to like. Ricky Mentha was poor. Had a couple of bad fumbles and looked little lost a times. I thought Heath played well - a big unit for young guy. Seemed to dominate the tap outs but was not on the same page with our mids and the Dogs just sharked him all game.

Both I would assume

Yep. And not a bad spot for a beer. Also if visiting Melbourne, good location given its near Fed square and Flinders Street

Agree on both counts. Though I could see crows opening up the dog's defence I reckon crows are good value @1.91 the win. And 5.80 for over 50 is good value too.

I think you'll find I've answered that very question (though I wish I hadn't bothered): https://demonland.com/forums/topic/66994-postgame-rd-01-vs-st-kilda/?do=findComment&comment=2759903

No it's absolutely not (defendimg goodwn). And respectfully I think you've misunderstood the point I was makimg in those posts. The first one for instance, i was simply answering your question why I thought 3kzs post was inaccurate. My reply didn't contain any assessment of how well he implemented a transition and turnover game, just that he was trying to implement that method. Which he was. My use of #Goodwin myths is shorthand pushback on the frequent misrepresentation of his game plan and methods. Such myths have a tendenchy, thru sheer weight of repetition, to become accepted fact. I dislike the modern tendency to rewrite history. Getting history wrong drives misinformation, and in this example colours any analysis and assessment of the incumbent coach’s performance. An obvious example is the suggestion that King is implementing a completely different game an to Goody. It's different yes, but not radically different in the way, for example, Mcrae's game plan was radically different the defence first method Buckley used. And that fact informs my assessment King's performance.

Not sure how.

I'll take that as a compliment.

As I suggested, I agree Goody, despite his best efforts, didn't successfully implement the transition, turnover game. Agree one of the biggest issues was the way we entered 50, though the method was exacerbated by having three of our starting mids being some of the worst kicks inside 50 in terms retention rate in the AFL (tracc was the worst in the AFL I think). Disagree completely his efforts to implement a new style of playing were 'tweaks'. No better evidence of that than Goody's last game of his tenure at the dees where we demolished the Eagles on transition and turnover and scored 139 points, our highest score of the season. That game looked diametrically different to the one that won us a flag. Disagree, the game plan was still largely a 'territory, hug the boundary style, low risk, kicking into a congested fwd line' style. It just wasn't The eyes and data tell the story. For example, despite the myth we continued to be a long bomb team in 2025 we were in fact mid table for metres gained from kicks - Freo and the Hawks, two teams playing fast transition footy were well above us for metres gained from kicks, with the suns comfortably number one. Ironically, King has repeatedly emphasised we will play a territory game. And I suspect under King we will in fact be more a long bomb team than we were in 2025 and be in top 5 for metres gained per kick. There is a bunch of other data points that evidence us not being a territory, hug the boundary style taking on low risks - eg our woefully high number of turnovers and scores from turnover (because we were taking on more high risk kicks), the increased number of both kicks and handballs (a manifestation of our change style, ie less territory first footy), the kick out patterns (we almost completely stopped kicking long to a contest, instead usually kicking short to a free player in the pocket) and the massive drop in the number of times we kicked long to Maxy, or any contest for that matter. Agree many players were confused about their roles. Agree King has done a good job of implementing a method that has meant we are moving the ball freely and have a good connection with the forward line. And to be clear, I'm not defending Goody, or suggesting we erred in going another direction. I could not be more impressed with King and on the evidence thus far think the club has made an excellent decision. Disagree that even claz, may and tracc were still with us King would have succeeded in achieving the results we saw on Sunday. I mean for starters, he got rid of them in large part because they don't have the skills we need to implement his game plan, namely leg speed and ability to hit targets. And they were also part of a group of senior players who clearly struggled to adapt to the transtion game plan Goody tried to implement All that said, agree to disagree.

'Seriously his Gameplan was done at the end of 2023, nothing changed after that for 2 Seasons. Tweaks were made apparently, but the same game was played' The bolded bits are simply not true Can't be bothered relitigating why, suffice to say there is a difference between trying to implement a new game plan, which Goody unquestionably tried to do in the first two thirds of 2024 and all of 2025, and successfully doing so My intel suggests the struggle to implement the new transtion game the best teams were using was a signficant source of tension between the younger players and some senior players who struggled, or refused, to adapt. The importantance of not rewriting history and amplyfying myths is, unlike say Mcrae at the Pies, King is not trying to implement a brand new game plan, one completely foreign to the team. He is building on an existing base of knowledge and practice. For example a notable element of King's game plan is long forward handballs (a big factor in our 220 plus metres gained by handball against the Saints). Goody tried to implement long handballs in 2024 and 2025. Meaning any current players who were on our list in 2024 and 2025 have spent considerable time already practising and training using long forward handballs. Kings efforts to implement an effective transition and turnover game plan has also been supported by the decision to exit senior players in Tracc, May and Oliver who clearly were struggling to adapt to the transtion and turnover based game plan Goody was trying to implement.

It can be hard to find the VFL team. And often it's not announced till very late as the line-up is dependent on who is selected in the senoirs Usually @KC from Casey will post the line-up in the corresponding thread for the match when it gets announced. But if you want to find it, the best bet is afl.com - top right on the main page of the app and website is three buttons. Click that and then click on the VFL link. It will take you to the fixture. Click on the Casey game and then lineup - if it has been loaded up teams will be there. If on your phone screenshot line-up and then you can post here by clicking on select files to upload link below. Upload the screen shot. Or just transcribe the team Team is up now. But I can't upload image as I've exceeded my limit. You might be able to Can't be bothered transcribing team, but I can tell you MFC players selected are: Melksham Xavier Taylor Ricky Mentha Riley Onley Bailey Laurie (note: emergency for the oned so might not play for Casey) Jed Adams Max Heath Tom Matthews Paddy Croos AMW Jack Henderson Notable non MFC players selections because they are on the radar of AFL clubs as possible mid season draft and rookie picks: Toby Sinema Luamon Lual (on the interchange is a Warrell Lual, who surely must be related?) Ethan Stanley

#Goodwin myths

Go for it - ie post the VFL team sheet up on Demonland every time they play

The biggest moment at the Golden Plains festival was the last song of Basement Jaxx - Where's your head at. Crowd went absolutely bananas , and chanted the chorus, which is just perfect for crowd sing a long. Would be an awesome choice for a song after a goal (assumng they played the chorus)

Didn't channel 2 also cover the VFA? Game of the week? But yep, def remember channel 0

To determine the equity points for ball winning at the all team level you aggregate each of that team's players equity points for actions that result in winning the ball. How do you source the individual ball winning equity points - is that data extracted from the CD data?