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Could not disagree more

Can't believe some of the comments in this thread. Blimey it is two weeks into a new season. Didn't have a great first half against the cats, was ok in the second half (part of a back line that gave up 17 points in the second half on a perfect day for football - compare and contrast to the point the Hawks gave up last week) and was fine last week. And please, no more comments along the lines of 'how about we play him in the role we got him for'. Last time i checked he is a defender. He is playing as defender. I doubt he has a clause in his contract that he can swan around and be Captain Zone Man. Some make it sound like he has god given right to not have to play a man on man role. Maybe, just maybe the coaching staff have a strategy in mind. For example freeing up Hibberd to play the sweeper, zone role given he is a much better and much more penetrating kick than Lever.

yeah, just like people choosing to disinvest from coal producers. i mean tge coal is still going to come out of the ground one way or another. so pointless

which is terrific. let some other blood suckers benefit

I assumed at first this related to the annual discount New Balance give to MFC members. Does anyone know if that is happening again this year?

True enough. I'm not sure if your comment is in reference to the discussion about selecting frost, but if so i don't think TMac not playing is relevant. As you say pederson will play that role, perhaps not as well but still play it.

Yeah i guess you could include him. I know he was a number 1 drat pick but don't recall him being so well paid (relatively of course) when he crossed from Freo. But i guess the expectations were very high.

Agree. On all points. But as someone has noted a player coming to a new team for the price we paid and the draft picks we gave up will be under scrutiny and thw expecation will be they perform from the get go. And fair enough too. In thinking about players coming to melbourne from other clubs with similar price tag and expectations i reckon there have only been 3 in the last 35 years. Clark, Moore and Templeton.

Some seem to be suggesting jlt1 has no relevance to this game. glorified practice match and all that. But riddle me this. Why would the club not trial the defensive unit they had in mind for a game for premiership points against the same opposition 4 weeks later? Now im not saying they wont pick frost but given we won that game and limited the influence of brown it would seem a strange decision. Particularly given they have stuck with same back since

Have to agree. If they chose not to pick him round 1 with the cats having two talks can't see why they would pick him next week. The problem for frosty is we can't afford another player who turns the ball over. That said hunt is struggling so they may be tempted to do a straight swap

Some good points, particularly the one about not having TMac at his disposal. Tmac up forward is critical from a structural point of view, in terms o fGoody's game plan. We reacted a bit better this weel with much fewer long bombs but clearly it is an importan part of our stategy and Tmac is central to it. I think a real issue is our on field leadership, which is no great shock as it has been for meany years. The two most effective ways to stop a team with momentum is slowing the game up and keeping possession (the hawks under Clarkson are the best modern example of this) and scoring a golas against the run of play, which the best teams find a way to to do - and often it is the out and out start that hets it (think Gary Ablett at the Cats, or Dangerfield or more recently Martin). I guess there is a third way. Combining the firts two. We don't seem to have the ability to take the pace out of the game and lack the real star who can will himself to change the course of a game - and then deliver. The first is about leadership and but the second is about having the right players. The leadership option requires a handful of players and outside of Viney i'm not convinced about our on field leadership (Jones makes too many bad decisions - like his choice to go wide to Melksahm from the corridor in the last when we desperately needed a forward entry). But i'm confident Trac, Oliver and Hogan have the star quality and Viney has the will power to chage the course of games in the next few years.

I think you'll find the problem is some people have very long memories and have to go back to the Northey era to remember a time when we routinely flogged teams

Hunt has lost his mojo. Frost for Hunt would be good swap i reckon.

I have to say this sort of comment is starting to bug me. Don't get me wrong i am rapt we got Lever and he will be worth every penny and draft pick. But given how highly he is rated (justifiably) and the coin we are paying him surely he doesn't need a Frost to ride shotgun to be effective (read as allow Lever to run around zoning and not have to be directly accountable to a specific forward) and earn his keep. I mean he is a defender. And his job is to beat a forward. I have to say given the stick two posters in particular have given TMac's younger brother over the last couple of years i find it a little amusing how their yardstick for young defenders has struggled to take a mark, hit a target, break even one on one or 'kill the ball' in his first two games for us.

But if we win it could be Name 3 bad things

G'day punters. Super tricky day at Rosehill tomorrow, a bit more straight forward at Mornington Best bet (and my best of the Autumn thus far): Gailo Chop- a ratings special if ever there was one. At 115 a full 6 points (and therefore 6 lengths) clear of the next best. Loves rain affected going with 3 wins and second from 5 starts on the slow and 3 from 3 in the heavy. 6 from 12 at the distance is not too shabby either. Has Zahra on board who is in hot form. Best value: Peribsen Best long shot: Ball of Muscle (with apologies to Fragonard) And if you want o make some some small change can't go wrong backing Kah in Adelaide for the jockey challenge. not sure what she is tomorrow as they don't put the market up until the morning, but i doubt will be much over 1.50. But she will win easing down. if she is much longer than 1.50 then good value

Punting throws up so many up and downs. Confidently backed Sprightly Miss as it appears many others to do. Won on int an it also got the me the early quaddie a couple of times (crazy small such as it was). Until it the protest scuppered both. Backed Unforgotten in the next and lsitedn to it on my phone. As it so often seems to lost connection with 600 to go with unfogotten at the rear and was annoyed i din't stick with my first thought, Renewed. Only for transmission to resume 30 seconds after the race and he he is giving the price for unforgoten. Crazy. The next in Sydney i came down Silent Sedition and Daysee Doom and zigged not zagged and went Silent Sedition and stupidly din't put a saver on DD despite the fact i love that horse. Did a wide trifecta with 7 horses. Would have got it, albeit with small percentage if i had not got greedy and changed my mind to chase the first four instead and box those numbers. And as i write the Answer my friend gets nutted on the line, which balance the ledger after Sprightly Lass gets there by a 'pixel'. Then loses on protest.

Well it hasn't been a carzy leaders track as it turns out - but still best to be up front. My others bets for melb are: Race 3 Demerrara Race 4 no 3 Metronome 5 Race 5 no 3 Hellova St 5 Race 6 no 4 He Ekcels 5 Race 7 no 8 Theanswermyfriend, saver on no 13 Burrrums Buzz Race 8 no 6 Snipfit and no 12 Filbert Race 9 no 2 Blue Tycoon saver on 1 Milwalkee

I did my form for Flemington based on it being a leaders tracks and if i proved to be correct was confident Holbien would lead and win. It looks like i was right about the leaders track and if so i could well be in for a good day as i have backed leaders from go to whoa.

G'day punters. Had a funny day last week. had to last at Fleminton to get a winner there but blitzed at Randwick to end up with a nice profit. Best etc today: Best Bet: Hear the Cahnt Best value: He Ecksels Best longshot: Latin Boy

G'day punters. My best was Gailo Chp so will have to find another. Best Bet: Shillelagh Best value: Shillelagh Best longshot (each way): Supido Lay of the day: kalemantari Good luck

Speaking of value, i know this is a horse rac8ng thread but Melbourne is currently 2.25 against the cats. That is brilliant value. If i was framing that market i would have us slight favs at about 1.80. Might have to have a go at that (and perhaps also over 39.5) and unlike futures in racing there is no risk of us not starting!

No. In that scenario better to anchor redzel (assuming you really think its going to win) and avoid the temptation to go wide in the other races. Lets say you had redzel as an anchor and had say only two in the other for $40 you get the quaddie 5 times. It might only pay $80 but you get $400. You might also put a small saver on a horse in redzels race to cover redzel getting rolled (like the redkirk warrior example - a horse i love as i backed it in tge Newmarket last year) But most people would spend their $40 by something like 2, 5 and 4 in the non ancor legs. And at best double their money. The tab love it. Much better value to be had to anchor a horse that is say 2.70 - 3.00 as usually there is a horse at similar odds that most quaddie punters can't resist putting in.