binman

Yep, you're probably right. Though there is more than just the trade to factor in. The impact on team moral and culture has to be factored in. it could go either way - that's to say a powerful message is sent that reinforces goody's team rules or the opposite occurs and player moral drops and divisions open up.

Well it appears i was wrong about the club not trading our best kick and most skillful player. Personally on an objective level i don't agree with the decision. But i support Goody's right to make the decision and also understand it given intensity is clearly a non negotiable for Goody and Watts has broken that rule once too often. But on a subjective, emotional level i would be absolutely gutted for Jack to leave the dees and just hate the thought of him in another club's jumper. Jack, for all his flaws, is one of my all time favourite players. I want to see him holding a premiership cup. For Melbourne.

And further to this point we don't know the amount of money we have offered him so using rumours of offers of 900k as proof of his ability - or that of the the existing dees defenders for that matter - is just plain silly. In any case rumors of 900k are likely to be codswobble. Jay Clark's stab of 750k x 5 sounds much more likely

Give it up steve. You have lost this argument. Quite sad really. How about you take my bet? It is a good one for you i would have thought. As 55 says he will do very well to make the top 10 in the bluey as there are at least 10 other players in the team who will poll well. By the by it must have burnt you bacon to see Tmac's younger brother get a brownlow vote. Difficult thing to achieve for a back man, especially one with no strengths and not up to AFL standard. Perhaps they liked his haircut?

But you didn't steve. Which is no hanging offence but you are so routinely condescending and rude (eg 'He made the squad you peanut') and think so highly of your football acumen and so lowly of others that such errors are likely to be commented on. I don't understand why you think this 'place would have exploded' if Tmac's younger brother had made the AA squad. No one has ever said he is a star, least of all me.

No i wasn't. I was using that as an example that man on man, one on one play is not his strength (ie not his go - an assessment i arrived at from watching him over his short career and one that few would argue with), which was a follow up from DeeSpencer making that same point a few posts earlier (a point that i agreed with in a post quoting that comment). I thought the fact that i used the word highlighting (as opposed to saying for instance that the danger example proved man on man is not his strength), which ironically you highlighted, would make it clear i was using the danger fail as an example. But there you go. By the way i didn't say he was hopeless man on man, just that it wasn't his strength.

Yep. A more revealing example was how Dangerfield out marked him at the start of the Crows cats game. No shame in getting out marked by danger but it was a pure one one contest rather than the more common zoning off Lever employs. Leverr tried to spoil without taking the body (like say Dunn or talia would have) and missed it, gifting Danger an easy mark (which he even had time to juggle). Don't get me wrong i'm not having a shot at him merely highlighting that man on man is not his go.

Agree with all your points. I suspect he will always play the zone off, intercept marking role rance has perfected. I reckon in time TMacs younger brother will be bigger than than Lever and maybe the go to one on one player when required (goody favours a heavy zone but flexibility is important). Technically lever is not the best kick in the world but he is pretty effective. As you say he moves the ball quickly and he also makes really good decisions (the two are linked obviously). As for the money i really can't see him getting 900k from the dees. Terrific player but a big part of his success at the crows, particularly this season, is, their incredible all field pressure which result in so many bombed, sloppy kicks (easy picking for a player of his ability) and how effective the rest of the backline is, particularly Talia. Both the Crows and the tigers have very similar approaches and it is no surprise both are in the granny. It is an approach we are clearly aiming to emulate and my concern for Lever is that if we don't apply the same level of pressure he won't be able to have the same impact as he does at the crows. So the worry is not that Lever does not have the ability but that us getting value from him depends factors outside his control.

Yes he is. As if Steve would get that wrong. It clearly says AA player on the poster he has of Lever over his bed. Maybe he is an emergency. Or maybe steve has confused lever with laird - who is an AA. Easy mistake to make. Same jumper after all. A tip for all recruiters - if keen on player jot down his number. its on the back of his jumper. But seriously, of course steve means he will be an AA at some stage. For sure. Then we will have 4 AA defenders. Not too shabby.

Please remember the unofficial DL code of conduct relating to rumours: state source (or if not possible some indication of where the said rumour has come from and its reliability) or if no source making it clear it is just a thought bubble. So to adhere to the code of conduct this post might read: 'Well it would seem that we may end up doing that rumored deal with the pies according to his mother who i work with' 'Well it would seem that we may end up doing that rumored deal with the pies according to some fella i met at flinders street station last sat morning at 3:40am after a big night in the city' 'Well it would seem that we may end up doing that rumored deal with the pies according to a dream i had last night'

Jeez Wattsy would love playing under Chuckles McHinkley

The phrase fuckknuckle was coined in his honour

Still in the building apparently. or perhaps he has left the building and is on his way to Gosch's paddock. Short forward lines are all the rage so maybe he can slot into our newly vacant forward line.

By the by this is the worst rumour thread i in my time on DL. Sheesh. Maybe the club isn't leaking enough. Come back GNF. Give us something!

I would love GC to play super hard ball and flat out refuse to trade unless they get what they want. I reckon Ablett has treated GC appallingly. He demanded a 3 year contract, front ended no less, and one year in wants to go home. Doesn't get his way and then picks and chooses when he will play. What sort of rubbish is that from a player brought to the club to show leadership. At a time when they desperately needed leadership the great GA only deigned to play home games. Rocket must hate him. I have lost a lot of respect for him. Even more so since his supposed threat to retire should he not get what he wants. I hope GC call his bluff. They would be doing the rest of the competition a big favour not gifting Geelong another A grade, brownlow medal winning mid fielder. Their reward would be repsect form the rest of the comp and their player and 2 easier games a year when they meet the Cats. [censored] him

Oliver only 12 votes? Ridiculous. I suspect he paid the price for being too chatty on field. Umps don't like being talked back to.

One more than Lever........

The blues are cappuccino's (sic)?

Yes. As punter interested in that bet i noticed the same thing. Bizarre. I actually bet on Giants over 40 for the value (and the over the total match point, which was a winner) but considered the tigers over 40 as well but thought it was too short. So i was happy it snuck under. Surely you cover the whole game. Right to the end.

^Oath

A little birdy told me Barry Prendergast is a regular poster on DL. Thinks Lever is perhaps the greatest footballer ever, thinks Tmac's younger brother isn't up to AFL standard and more than happy for Weids to ply his trade in the maggos until 2019. Yet to pick a smokey though. Oh and doesn't mind the odd condescending post or two hundred.

Nah wasn't being smart. I assumed from your comment that Kelly was a cricketer also. I was of course talking about keath who was a star cricketer. Looked ok when he played for the crows and i agree that they will miss Lever but have the cattle to cover him.

And they have that other cricketer

This highlights so much that is wrong today in terms of peoples ability to analyse information. And it has infected jounalism. Some random person puts unsubstantiated heresay on the net - in this case an ex player said kent had poor skinfolds - and another random person uses this 'fact' to support hia argument.

Of course he is going to dictate terms. What is rhe point of a contract otherwise. Can you give one example of a player uner contract being traded against their will? By top 4 i mean teams in the premiership window, which i have noted previously. Players still under contract onlty get traded when both parties benefit. That includes when a player wants to break a contract - like gibbs.