binman

Taken down by logic. Gold. And by the by it is binman.

You suggesting other posters of being embarrassing? Irony, much. You can't work out if you want to simply be a troll, or want people to take your views seriously or a bit of both. Now that's embarrassing.

I had mate say precisely the same thing the other day. His point was all clubs have trades that are busts and draft players that don't make it, including high picks. it's the nature of the beast. 50 50 is bloody good result. People just focus on the ones that worked out. But when assessing our our own recruiting many people do the opposite and just focus on the busts. My issue with out recruiting is not who we have picked up as such, more the type of players Roos (yes he should shoulder some blame) and Goody have asked the recruiting team to prioritse. We should have been into Jack Martin 5 years ago for instance. The problem we have is we have focused on competitive, contested ball winners at the expence of pace and skill, for 6 or so years. Which is all well and good, but the problem with that is once a player get to the AFL their kicking skill is by and large fixed (though of course can improve) as is their pace (ditto). Easier to teach a really good kick that isn't naturally a contested ball winner to play solid defense and harden up.

I A grader. Salem might get there, but no other on that list will. A couple closer to c grader than A grade. And one who is C grade. And only one can reliably hit a target. And he plays on the hb so does not kick it inside 50. For a negative nellie you are remarkably unrealisticly positive in your assessment of those players.3 A graders and the potential of 2 more? Sheesh.

I'm not one for bagging players but Lewis was terrible against the tigers. Leaving aside his fumbles, lack of pace and inability to pick the ball of the ground he is supposed to offer leadership. He offered zero leadership in this game. I stamped his card late in the last quarter when he took a half step at a contest and didn't put his body on the line. Game was over but you can tell a lot about where a player is at attitude wise by the way they play late in games where their team is going to lose. The thing i most admired about Robbie Flower was not his abundant skill but his ticker and approach to the game. It didn't matter if we were winning, it was close or we were getting pumped he never dropped his head and always played to the final siren. Respect. I lost some respect for Lewis on Wednesday night.

Fun thread.

Agree on all three PD. The interrupted pre season to so many players and injuries explain to a large degree why we are going so badly. But it doesn't explain why our contested ball numbers have fallen off a cliff. That is real concern. Halfway through the first quarter against the Saints we were done by something like 8 contested ball. To me that is raises flags in terms of attitude and intent.

Totally agree fitness levels, pre-season and availability of key players are the key reason we are travelling so poorly this year. It is a given those things are fundamental to a teams chances in any given season. But i'm talking in a more general sense about what we need to be flag contending side, not why we are rubbish this season. That said having some of our best players out means we have even poorer kicks come into the side.

It's number one on my list. Well one, two and three. Skilled kicks two, players with pace three and players with both number 1. I was surprised we drafted Sparrow. Does not seem that quick and skills seem just ok. A player like Jack Martin is what we need and who we should be focused on trading in. One reason why i was disappointed to lose Watts is that he was our best kick. Yes we got fritta but there is no reason we could not have had both (to be clear I understand the cultural stuff and as i have said previoulsy i understand and respect the decision)

I reckon the biggest part of the problem. A situation exacerbated by the facts that: Many opposition teams have adopted WC's spread strategy that requires speed to cover free players (and those that haven't look to do so against us to expose our lack of pace) Our woeful turnovers from missed kicks expose and exacerbate our lack of pace as everyone is out of position when we turn it over You can't kick goals if you continually butcher the ball going inside 50 and when you do actually get a shot hit the behind post from 30 direct in front or fail to make the distance from 35 When we do butcher the ball going inside 50 we don't have single player who pick the ball off the ground and turn a crap kick into an opportunity (by the by if i hear the stupid expression ground ball one more time my head will explode)

I'll tell you why. As i have said on any number of occasions across multiple threads - and at the real risk of repeating myself and boring posters to death - our communication at the club is appalling. There are any number of examples from big to small. PJ made it clear that our focus in terms of our resourcing had to be the football department as you are going nowhere if not winning. And hard to argue against that. Implicit though in that focus was that once winning began other aspects of the club would get attention. I can only assume that has not occurred because our communication and membership engagement is not up to scratch and is a black eye on the club. And on Gary Pert i reckon. Maybe the last point is bit tough on Pert, but he has had enough time at the club to sort things and communication and membership engagement must be among his KPIs. Our messaging (or more accurately mixed messaging), our website, our social media, how we respond to membership queries (not blaming the staff by the way on this - it is clearly a system issue and reflects a lack of investment) and our members engagement strategies are all poor.

And people knock misso. Anyone who can bring a fella back from the dead is ok by me. That is high performance. I heard he helped get that star j. Christ back on his feet as well.

Was away over Easter. Just watched the game not knowing the score. Ha4d work avoiding all media and comments. Should not have bothered. We were woeful. Haven't looked at this thread or any other. But I can imagine the vitriol. All of it deserved. I could make any number of crtisisms. I'll keep it to two. Our foot skills are appalling. And were all game. They were way better than us and easily could have won by more. But iwe totally gave up the momentum with our turovers and failure to hit a target inside 50 in the first 10 minutes of the second. We are slow.

Bobbing!

Hadn't checked the other best bets before posting, but was going to pick dubhe too Macca. Unusually for me I've done my selection At randwick based on a swoopers track. I just think randwick struggles to come up week to week, particularly after rain, and the track will be hard to lead on. Two races in and seems to be the right play with horses getting home from tbe rear. Makes for a tough tough day with value winners

Last getting day of the Autumn for me fellas. My best is Tonsor at eagle farm. Race 9 no 7. Shooting for 4 in a row and will get the chockies

He has what we need.

Yes, true. Good point. A worry for supposedly one of the best mid fields. I reckon a factor is oppositions have worked out strategies to nullify max. How many center clearances have we had this year. SFA. The 666 was supposed to advantage not hinder us.

Puff piece? Disgraceful article? Spare me. A good article with solid reasoning supporting its central contention that our lack of defensive running from mids 'who have begun to play like millionares' is the cause of our defensive woes. Hard to argue with that contention. Though it won't convince those that see the game in a much less nuanced fashion. You know the 'the opposition is scoring too easily so must be the defenders fault' brigade. Luckily goody is not one of those people.

Hogan is a gun. And goals is just one aspect of why he is gun. We sorely miss him and in particular his work rate, abilty to get up sand down the ground, offer an outlet target and rack up posesions . I have a lot of time for Weed but if he is not kicking goals he doesn't impact the game

You'll have to deal with Oscar for a few more seasons. Yay.

On a treacherous day my best bet is at Morphetville fellas - race 6 no 6, Equal love. Will keep on his winning ways (couldn't find one a caulfield but i do like Flying Krupt and Helloev Street. Not one at Randwick, where i have gone for some very long shots)

On Joel Smith: “Joel’s still settling down. He’s been progressing pretty well, but he hasn’t started running yet. We’ll probably give him another week or so before he does that, then he’ll need probably two to three weeks at least to reload, but again, his rehab plans and return to play plans are still a bit up in the air.” So assuming no further set backs that looks like a minimum of four weeks before he is even ready to resume full training. So say another 2-3 weeks of training and then you'd think he's come back via the VFL. Best case scenario is he's available for the seniors in rounds 10-11. That's with everything going well. Any hiccups and we may not see him until rounds 12-13 or later. Great. Just great.

G'day fellas. Way too late i know. I haven't been able to get on DL today. My best is once again Avilius. unbeaten in Sydney. Loves the heavy. The Oz cup was an aberation and will be too good. Short enough but still overs. Particularly on the tote as i suspect you will get close to easy money. I really liked Mosh Music too, which i see DZ picked. very impressive win

Speed and good skills. There's the answer as to why he has made such a rapid rise.