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So though are the golf swings of pros (developed at a very young age) and then grooved with hundred of thousands of repetitive swings in training. Yet still some top golfers retool completely and change their swing - either because of injury or because they fell they need to improve their swing to get better. Tiger Woods has done it on at least three occasions (for both reasons actually) as has any number of other pros over time. Pro golfers have their won sing coach who monitor their swing to ensure it is not changing (as it does organically over time) or errors are not accidentally creeping in. But also pro golfers and their coach might want to add a small tweak to improve an aspect of their game (eg fading long irons, punch shots under wind, using a new club like a hybrid). If a really big swing change is required/wanted usually a new coach will come in to retool. Which involves thousand and thousands of practice swings. So if a player want to improve their kicking they could but of course they only have so much time and most of it is devoted to fitness, whereas for golfers the opposite is the case, with most time devoted to skill development and much less to strength and fitness.

I'll ask a couple if questiions: Is the longest thread title ever on dl? Is it one of the most obtuse thread titles ever on dl?

I saw that photo and thought it really reminded me how slow trenners is. He's not moving at all! But then again neither is Hogan

Agree on Frost and to a lesser extent Wagner. I was not convinced by Frost early doors, particularly given his wayward disposal and also no doubt because he was clearly not a forward. Beyond that he he didn't seem to have a natural game sense. But as the year went on he impressed me more and more. By the end of the year i thought he was one of our more influential players as he was starting to really utilse his obvious athletic gifts, particularly his running and was clearly encouraged to take the game on (great coaching) which he was more and and more confident to do A great example of his value was the goal he set up against the Haws, i think in the third quarter where he took a mark on the wing and then ran around the man on the mark and pumped it long inside 50 (as Brown was opining about how brilliant the Hawks were are getting back and creating their zone defence). With Wagner i had the opposite feeling. he started well and i was really impressed by his kicking, smarts and game sense. looked a pure footballer. But as the year went on his kicking fell away and then after he got a small injury struggled. With a full preseason (only his second pre season at the elite level and given he was playing in Canberra probably his first anywhere near that level) i am quietly confident he might fulfill that early potentiaal. Also most coaches love left footers (as i do) so he might get his chance.

Please, don't go! I'm begging you to stay

I assume you meant stint but stings works! I can see him pulling of lots of stings next season

Small rehab group. Is Tyson training? And if so in which group?

Agree. To an extent. In modern footy it is very important to have speed across the board, such is the emphasis on spread and running though lines. Just look at what Hunt has brought to the table for us. It is ok to have some slowish players and even one or two quite slow players (like unfortunately Trenners is) but only if it is balanced by a number of some quickish players and one or two bolters - and of course quick ball movement. The oft used example of Mitchel also provides exactly this example of a well balanced team. His slowness is offset by the pace around him. But as i have said before Mitchel also provides another guide for trenners. He gets the ball 30 plus times a game and of course uses it super well (and is a huge factor in initiating spread). Trengove will not get a regular senior spot unless he can also get the ball that often, And the only spot he can do so is playing out of the centre as a clearance player like Mitchell. On Mitchell i don't really have an idea of how quick West Coast are but if they don't have enough players who can offset his slowness then he won't be the asset he was at Hawthorn.

Yep. But wasn't he Brown Dog?

Good call Ethan. I have been enjoying the outbreak of civility on DL of late. That said i got a wry chuckle from the fact Stuie liked your post

Code for i bet DK is feeling the pinch

Thanks Drunkn. I bet DC is felling the pinch. In my (much) younger days i had a few sessions of 3 days with only a couple of hours sleep, but it had nothing to do with football.

Maybe they thought it was ok but it didn't settle as hoped over the XMAS break? They've done a good job keeping the camp on the low down. I thought it was only for the first and second year players but that leaves tyson out so perhaps it was the whole squad. Bell, ProDee, Drunkn167 any intel on this?

We have a real beauty there. Watching these Hunt highlights really reinforced how quick he is but also as you say how well he reads the ball. He uses these skills in tandem to cover loose men so well, a skill that is critical in the modern game with its use of zones. he is super gutsy as well. There has been a bit of talk about Alan Johnson in the favorite and best players threads and in some respects Hunt shares some similar traits. There are a couple of very short bits of AJ play in this video but they demonstrate my point a little bit, particularly his dash.

But, but your avatar is a man!

Huh? I asked WHEN was the camp, not where

Thanks bells. When was the camp?

I had no memory of Andrew Ford (those 8 games must have made quite an impression on you though Billy), so had to look at the brilliant Demonwiki (by the by i would love to know Supermercado's fav players): Andrew Ford DOB: 16 September 1970 Debut: Round 6, 1991 against Collingwood at Waverley Last Game: Round 10, 1992 against North Melbourne at MCG From: North Ballarat, Selection #55, 1988 National Draft Number: 43 1991-1992 Games: 8 Goals: 1 Career Statistics Wins Draws Losses Winning % 4 1 3 50.00 After spending 1989 and 1990 in the Reserves, Ford finally made his debut in 1991. He was given the difficult role of tagging Tony Shaw in his first game and impressed, but played just seven more matches in his career. Ford also wore number 43 when playing Under 19's and Reserves in 1989 and 1990. Year Games Goals Brownlow 1991 4 1 0 1992 4 0 0

Indeed. But of course that's no slight on Jones. The demons have had few better players than Greg Wells.

You're right it is a bit tough, not least because the idea of favourite players is somewhat fluid. Perhaps a better thread might be more along the lines of naming some of our favourite players Some of the lists above reminded me of some players who are among my favorites. Sean Wight, The Duke, Stinga and Danny Hughes among them.

The thread about the best MFC team posters had seen live got me thinking. Specifically, that I've never really thought about demon players in terms of best (with one obvious exception) but rather who my favourite players are. Most of my favorite players are pretty good players but not necessarily the best. So my question is who are posters' top 10 favourite players. Mine in no order (except one obvious exception) is as follows: 1. Robbie Greg Wells Gary Hardeman Nathan Jones Jack Watts Steven Icke Garry Baker Jeff Farmer David Schwarz Jimmy Stynes With honorable mentions to: Spud Dullard, Andy Moir, Ray Biffen, Peter Giles, Steven Smith, Rhino Richards, Sugar Healy, Max Gawn, Laurie Fowler, Gerard Healy, Todd and jack Viney, Travis Johnstone, Glen Lovett, Alan Johnson, Steven Stretch, Jesse Hogan, Alan Jacovich, Brent Croswell, Neita, Yze, J Mac and Carl Ditteriich. Hell I could name another 50!

Agree with Tiers and PD about Healy. From players i have seen live (first game live in 1977) Healy would have to be in my top 5 demon players, no question. Fantastic player who in some ways was the proto-type modern footballer. Smart. Could play multiple positions. Great hands. Skillful and brave. I was gutted when he left. Like PD Alan Jonson has to stay. His combination of bravery, pace and skill made him a top shelf player. I always thought he was underrated when playing, perhaps because he was fairly slight but also an unassuming sort of player who just got on with playing.

And from a much less succesful era a ruckman who did make the best 150 players http://demonwiki.org/Garry+Baker

Hard to go past stynes and white but i reckon strawbs odywer was a terrific player. And a very important one in a relatively successdul era as highlifhted in this article http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/strawbs-short-changed-on-dees-night/news-story/7d2b161345fbb2b31c5c7d5e075b1255

Don't disagree with his critique about us losing games we shouldn't. Who would. Though in some ways i reckon our failure to beat Carlton might in the end be a blessing in disguise as it provides a fire that should burn. But Hogan under the pump? Becasue he only kicked 3 goals in the lat six games? Please. That's nonsense, though to be fair to Bickley even some Demons fans underestimate Hogan (as evidenced by various poster on DL), And who will help Hogan up forward? Maybe Watts?