DeeSpencer

Check this list out, bit inaccurate but I found one particular melbourne supporters job title interesting http://footy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_celebrity_supporters_of_AFL_clubs

They didn't have to pay him! They should've sent him packing. Really they stuffed each other but even on the way down he had a team in a grand final.

In the words of the late Al Davis - Just win baby! Bailey might have been told to focus on kids and not results for his first two years but then he had 2010 where we were competitive followed by 2011 where we were a mess. Now the CEO and Connolly might have hastened seeing Bailey out the door but if 186 was a 56 point loss he would've kept his job. As for Neeld I didn't mind the tough words or tough actions but on field we were even worse. Whatever his strategies were they failed.

Don't think so? He could whack our players leaving them even more exposed to the circling media. He could whack our facilities and cast us as a complete mess and damage our chances of getting some positivity heading into next year. That's true. Although to be honest I think he'll be fine. Ratten, Daniher, Knights, Bailey, Primus practically everyone who has been a senior coach has found a new gig and been recognised for the talent that saw them get the senior berth initially. I would think this footy classified interview would've been pre-booked and he is sticking to a commitment before he goes sailing off with his 600k and then comes back next season as an assistant coach or in the media. In a way the timing so early in the season will help him. He's got time to have a good holiday for a couple of months before looking for a job next year.

Well he undoubtedly signed a three year deal so to get him across we'd have to offer a huge deal that would make it worthwhile for him to fight Hawthorn or a deal where by someone caretaker coaches the team for an entire season that's not speculation. I'm speculating he doesn't feel a great deal for the club he played 2 seasons with. When you are a career coach/player he's been at North, Werribee, Central Districs, Port and Hawthorn. After all that does he really love us. He also confirmed the other day there was an offer put to his manager but not directly to him, that's not speculation. I am speculating that if we made Ross Lyon a big deal like Freo did he would've been interested. So the answer is two. And as far as I'm concerned they are much lesser speculations than the people who are blindly saying Clarkson will coach us. To me it appears we had a window in 2011 to ambitiously get one of Lyon or Clarkson to take over a list on the rise at a club that was freshly debt free. Now here we are in 2013 facing massive losses that we mean fresh debt, a list in disarray and the coaching candidates (both experienced and inexperienced) seem rather limited.

Right now if we needed to pick the new coach tomorrow it would be an interim President leading a lame duck board with an interim CEO who will be gone in less than 18 months. Josh Mahoney trying out for his own job as footy ops manager. So how are we meant to for the committee to make the next selection. I'd say at this stage our best bet is to work out who is going to be on the new board and make sure our football director from the board is established. However I'm not sure it's feasible to have a new board established before the coach decision process needs to start. So at the moment Greg Healy is football director and I'd be making sure that his commitment is ongoing regardless of who else comes on to the board. Approach Kennett and say who do you have for your board and will you commit to Greg Healy. We will then be sticking with Peter Jackson as well so he'd have a spot on the new coach committee. Then the next question is who else do we need on the committee, do we need further football knowledge from players or coaches and do we need a sports psychologist? Can we get a football operations manager in place before the coaching search happens or do we wait and get someone the new coach can work with. I'd say the following could form the committee: Peter Jackson (CEO) Greg Healy (Director -football) Cameron Ling (recent retired player with knowledge of game trends and also outstanding leader) Sports psychologist

Thought he was 2 weeks before QB'day which would put him in line to play. If not just keep Tapscott in then.

What so he up and ran to WA because they'd never find him. He went to Perth not Mexico. Ross Lyon had money issues period. If we offered him the same deal as Freo why wouldn't he stay and save a bunch load of money having to move to the other side of the country.

Terlich Davis Garland Clisby McDonald M. Jones Toumpas Jones Evans Howe Dawes Sylvia Davey Gawn Blease Jamar Magner McKenzie Trengove Viney Watts Kent Out: Rodan, Dunn, Pedersen, Tapscott, Fitzy In: Magner, Clisby, Davis, Viney, Gawn 3 forced changes in Gawn has to come in for Fitzy, Magner for Rodan and Viney for Tapscott and the other 2 are really about providing some kids a chance. I know we are stuck with Dunn and Pedersen for next year but they are offering so little. I want to know if Davis can play and it's a hard task to throw him in but he'll be on Maister or Stanley and he has to be good enough to limit those type of players. And Clisby looks a nice AFL prospect with run, speed and skill for Casey. Has to have a look in ahead of Dunn.

Clarkson signed a 3 year deal extension with Hawthorn in 2011. So that means he'll be contracted for 2014 does it not? So we'd not only have to offer him a massive deal to get him across but also he'd have to break his contract with Hawthorn. All on the back of leaving a top 4 club with a shot at a flag this year and next year. For a team in the biggest trouble in decades. Oh and he played 40 odd games for us in 96 and 97, I'm not sure he'd really feel a great debt to the club. We had our chance to get Clarkson in 2011. And instead of Lyon pleading with his mate, forcing him into a meeting at least and going as hard as possible he simply reached out to his manager and got knocked back. Same story goes for Ross Lyon who I'm sure if we ponied up the cash that Freo did would've gladly kept the family in Melbourne.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/?action=GoEvType&ev_type_id=10771&QuickLinks Mark Williams - $4 Roos - $5 - I get the feeling he really isn't interested Worsfold - $9 - I don't think he'll want to do it Eade - $9 etc You can even get $41 on Garry Lyon, Schwartz, Brad Green and a whole bunch of silly names. Williams v Eade the early front runners I'd say. The best odds at the moment would be Adam Simpson at $26 or Scott Burns at $15. Whilst we will certainly be searching for an experienced candidate it would surely be wise to at least interview some of the better inexperienced coaches and these two are the ones that seem to be leading the pack.

The thing is there isn't really any statistical proof that Knights is a worse coach than Hardwick. Hardwick ended up getting a job that suited him to bring kids through because that's all that was left after Wallace had left it in a heap. He also had the benefit of more time. He's been allowed to go 6 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins. That might not have cut it at the dons. Knights on the other hand was right. The Essendon list did seem to have more talent and Knights made finals. He also got together a pretty reasonable core of a spine and set them on the right track and made Jobe Watson go from spud to the best captain in the league. He also struggled to get a fit list of players together, a struggle that has since led Essendon into more trouble. Oh and post leaving he's won a VFL flag. Now I'd take Hardwick over Knights but I'm not convinced that Knights is half as bad as he's made out to be.

I agree, it will be hard to get someone because the overs we'd pay are just crazy. So what I think we should do is look to trade 3rd round picks or guys like Blease for young players who want out of their current club or who's current club wishes to off load them and who are still good enough to be in our best 22. Invest the top picks in top line talent but try and find a couple of mid range guys for the here and now. I look at Houli, Grigg and Maric at Richmond and think how good it would be if we just added a couple of AFL ready decent talents. Even better if they are untried talents like Terlich and Matt Jones that we can get through the draft but if it has to be trade it has to be. There is surely enough room on our list. Best case scenario is we have about 12-15 proper AFL ready players on our list, we need to bump that up by more than just straight kids. Obviously we wont get into the top 8 or top 4 until we can develop some real top line star power but the small steps first to be able to win some games and be competitive means we need a smattering of slightly older types. I'm still loooking at cleaning 10-15 from out lists so it's not about clogging the list but just getting some help in.

It's looking that way. The problem is we have to be ultra careful and not push him too hard. If it comes it comes. From what we've been told he had his lisfranc repaired. The repair looked in good condition but he had ongoing pain that he could play through but obviously it wasn't worth due to our season. So they thought that pain was due to the screw that whilst important in the initial repair now isn't vital. So they took it out. So what they have to do now is progress his activity whilst continually checking that everything remains structurally sound. At the end of the day the only people who will know the real truth are Mitch and his surgeon. And none of them are talking any time soon. So lets wait and see.

I hope Magner gets a game but I find it hard that the crowbot/fitness king won't be tempted by Bail or Nicholson. It will be interesting to see they way Craig goes from here. I think we knew when Viney came in he'd try and few different blokes and focus on the hard stuff first. Rawlings when he came in to Richmond was pretty much going to clear out Wallace's crap and play this kids. But their is some reality in that if Craig just plays kids I doubt he can get improvement. I think we overrate our kids and guys like Magner, Joel Macdonald, even a Sellar might be best 22 at times.

I really love Scott Thompson but remember we replaced him straight away with Moloney. Certainly Thompson is better but it's not like we really lost a whole bunch. You can't say that one change has led us to an epic wreck. I certainly agree that the Daniher years were full of lack of consistency, lack of effort against top teams and all round clearly there wasn't commitment to excellence. When the teams lost some of their better players we didn't have a generation of leaders. We had McDonald, Green, Bruce and Davey to lead us forward when Bailey inherited the job in 2008. That's not a strong culture.

Boyd is 200cm isn't he so I couldn't see why he couldn't be the second ruck to Clark with Dawes and Hogan the key forwards. However that means we'd be wasting Gawn in the 2's. However the thing about Boyd we should remember is to not even expect him to be best 22 for the first 2 years at least. So we could go with Jamar/Gawn as ruck, Clark (2nd ruck), Hogan and Dawes and wait it out. If this guy is going to be a star and the mids look average then we have to take him. We can't afford to have Tambling whilst GWS have the next Franklin. I've got full confidence that Hogan could easily play CHB.

If Jones was going to be captain he would've been captain by now! He's a great on field leader but he isn't an engaging leader of men at training or around the club. Grimes to stay captain. Either add Dawes as co-captain or leave Trengove, the other of those two should be VC along with Jones as VC as well.

i usually rate your opinion on our players which is why I'm surprised you like Blease. My main issue is he seems to struggle to play composed and quality games at VFL as well. No doubt be dominates that level but even at that level he doesn't look like a naturally composed player.His kicking reminds me of a NFL quarterback who has the great mechanics and throws a tight spiral and looks great. But put him on the field and that accuracy disappears under pressure

Skills poor, fitness non existent, hardness see fitness. He has pace and likes a ping at the goals. That's all I see from Blease. The fact besides Nicholson the rest of our team are plodders doesn't mean I like Blease. I see Kent play who also lacks fitness to work both ways but you see he's not afraid to lay a tackle and is trying to think he way through using the ball not just blindly sprinting.

And nor should they. The primary focus on the club should be playing footy not spending money on website details being upgraded. Plus the players change weights all the time. One game in Darwin or a bad case of gastro and they drop 5kg. Barry is light, needs to practice more physical footy and needs time. Put it this way in three years time, he should have an AFL body and if with that experience comes a tougher edge we will then have a guy who can run (both speed and endurance), can use the ball really well and can kick a goal. Everyone gets upset that we didn't pick Lewis Jetta when he was playing park footy. Now we have a guy who could be a similar (without the brilliant speed but still quick) player and everyone wants to toss him out.

Read my post number #37. He certainly wasn't a first round draft pick. He was closer to steak knives than that. Most likely valued as a third round pick.

Why in hell did Freeman come on to this board if he's not committed to be the next president. We don't need an egg we need the bacon. Fully committed no excuses. Can we have a full blown presidential election at the end of this year. Two tickets head to head and a proper decision.

Ahhhh no he wasn't! Let's get the facts right. Pick 3 and Pick 13 went to GWS in return for Hogan, Barry and Pick 20. Also as part of this deal we allowed Gold Coast to take the first mini draft selection in a trade for pick 3 and therefore meant Viney got through to the second round. See Emma Quayle reference. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/three-win-in-minidraft-20121009-27bbk.html So it's Hogan, Viney, Dawes and Barry for pick 3, 13, and 26. So you can actually break that down as Hogan for pick 3, Viney for pick 13 (even though he was drafted at pick 26) and Dawes for pick 26 (despite being traded for 20) and Barry as the set of steak knives. It was said pre draft that his value was as a late second or third round pick - somewhere between 30 and 55. That's where we should consider him for player development, not that it should be influenced by draft pick. Taylor Duryea and Sam Grimley played in their first games for the hawks this year after being on the list for 4 years. They also showed little until last year that they'd even make it to AFL standard. We should hold on to kids for too long because we do have an opportunity to play them if they are good enough but what they do in their first year at least should be inconsequential.

This article just shows why they don't sell many papers anymore. Walls isn't too far off at all but he's getting paid to write this and he's pretty much just scrapped together some of the names, thrown Hogan at the top to make it controversial and job is done. It's not that he's done a bad job but if you want people to be fascinated by what they are reading then go and find out the contract status, take some time to realise the state of the list and figure that you can't have all the guys out that he wants and FFS watch Sam Blease play a game of footy and realise he's a freaking liability!