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Great stuff. Watts next, and a Frawley extension please!

I don't think anyone is calling him as finished in his first year, just that there's genuine concern as to what it is that he's bringing to the game so far.

Agree with Ben-Hur. His neat kicking is reminiscent of Montagna or Camporeale, but he doesn't have the burst speed of either player. As an outside mid to not have genuine pace is a big weakness, not to mention the lack of 'oomph' that he has in his game so far.

oh, mad bad. when i read it last night i thought you were saying jimmy t's first year was sensational, which i just couldn't understand at all.

further to my disagreement that toumpas' first year has been "sensational" - he has regularly ducked his head in contested situations (against gold coast in particular he was poor before being injured) - his tackling attempts are often one-arm reaches rather than dedicated attempts - he doesn't one-two run as outside players should, i.e. he doesn't get the ball, dispose of it, then make himself an option further afield - he doesn't look remotely fit enough (see the photo posted on the mfc facebook page of him in a recycle bin ice-bath? he's nowhere near as ripped as other players, and looks a bit porky) - he's not quick for an outside player players i can think of off the top of my head who've had better first years than him in 2013: - jaeger o'meara (the kid is a freak) - ollie wines - brad crouch - lachie whitfield - sam dwyer - jamie elliott - sam mayes - nick vlastuin - jake neade and that's just 2013. melbourne players who i can think of off the top of my head who've had more impressive first years than him in recent times: - nathan jones - clint bartram - matthew bate - jamie bennell - jack trengove - tom scully - cale morton - ricky petterd irrespective of his hip injury, we were told he was 'ready to go' by nearly every story on him prior to the draft. he looks far, far away from that. the damning fact for me is that cale morton produced superior football to toumpas in his first year in 2008, when we were probably even worse than we are in 2013. fortunately, from what we've seen he is a very nice kick, but he has a long way to go to be what i was expecting we were getting when we drafted him. a sensational first year? not on your life.

Gotta disagree with that.

anybody seen the photo of him in the ice bath up in darwin? no wonder he's slow.

Sylvia lowered the eyes and hit up the leading Howe. Missed the difficult shot 74-88 now

So dumb by Watts.

great persistence by trengove. he may be slow as a wet week but he doesn't stop trying. perceived pressure on handley contributed to him not being able to control the ball. blease is a natural around goal. back to 5 point lead to them.

no news on garland. merrett a superb goal from distance. looked like a push in the back on watts to me.

sylvia just never looks where he kicks. never ever.

viney is just a terrier. other players who hunt the ball with the same intensity - joel selwood and garry ablett. i'll take a cross between the two, thanks!

review says it's a goal! back to under a goal the diff!!

umpire is calling it a goal...

great goal dawes???

that could be a knee.

garland hurt really badly. great goal davey as he is assisted off with a leg problem

brereton is giving it to toumpas for his lack of effort.

wa-hey! a mark and a handball for toumpas!

dermott brereton: "that's toumpas' fault". the poor kid is getting it badly tonight. he's been non-existent!

toumpas! commentators are slaughtering him tonight, just no effort from him there.

duquan?

superb kick by jones. margin back to a goal.

ripper kick by frawley to get it to grimes just then. new contract, stat.