hells bells

Arguably they are all surrounded by far better midfields than ours. Makes a big difference. Des Headland looked like a star in the awesome Brisbane premiership teams but was never as good when he went to Freo cause he didn't have the gun midfielder to support him. Also, Trengove was chasing the opposition from start to finish this year when all the others had given up, he ran himself into the ground. If the team is pulling it's collective weight, blokes like Jack won't have to pull the others along.

Anyone else just see the news.com.au headline and fill their pants. "Grimes floored again by injury". Was massively relieved it was his brother Dylan.

2005 Round 20 - Collingwood v Carlton was the dodgy Collingwood game...

KAKADU not KOKODA

I hope im proven to be wrong in timw but IMO Today has been a dark day in the footy club. Loss: Morton - pick 4 Gysberts pick 11 Pick 60 odd Gained: Pederson, tall guy who can't get a game for North. Pick 70 odd and pick 88 Prior to today I though we'd had a good trade period. After today I'm not so sure.

I feel this could be another Scott Thompson debacle. High draft pick, injury prone first few years, leaves the club, turns into a champion. I don't see us as winners if the deal is a straight swap for Pederson. Personally I don't see the gain in Pederson at all, but that's not on topic.

Sounds just like the guy we're trying to offload to Brisbane. I fail to see what Pedersen will offer above Martin. If you looked at Martin's highlight package you would see some great acts. This one has me stumped!!

IMO the effectiveness of both Martin and Jamar will be compromised. I'm hoping that Maxy Gawn is ready to go round 1.

I agree with the above posters, IMO if he is fit he is a better prospect than Nicholson, Strauss, Jetta and Bail.

Apologies if this has been asked and answered previously. I understand that Jesse is not able to play for the Dees in 2013 but does he actually take a spot on the senior list or does he come onto the list at the end of 2013? Or is he under some sort of special rookie spot? Cheers, Hells

I believe the deal is 3 and 13 to GWS for Hogan and pick 20. That's the way it reads on The Age website.

I'm already convinced that if we take him at 3 he won't be any good. On the other hand I'm equally convinced that if he goes to the Gold Coast he'll be a champion. Could be MFCSS.

The worst case scenario is that GC nominate for Viney, and I believe they will. We should be preparing our drafting strategies on it happening. If he's a top 5 draft pick I don't have a problem with him coming at 3 when we have another pick at 4. I've spoken to a recruiting person and he's said that he is like a shorter version of Joel Selwood. I'm happy to give up pick 3 if that turns out correct.

I know a member of the family who has been notified, I understand not all have been notified. Such shattering news for a lovely family.

Shannon Byrnes is not the answer. He is a turnover merchant and we've got enough on our list. I would only take him for a very late pick in the Pre-Season Draft if at all.

I think Davey will go too. Have heard rumors...

Less talk more action! To feel positive about my football club again.

DEAR TWO FACED TOM TAKE YOUR FAT WALLET AND YOUR PHILTHY FAT OLD MAN AND GET OFF OUR GROUND.

I hate Sheedy so much I'm going to the snow just to spite him!! ;-)

This is officially it. I've invested too much time, energy and emotion in this club. I'm not going to do it any more i'm sick of the depression. This will ruin my weekend now. I've just decided I'm not doing it any more. Hells Bells out!

If the Hawks had've kicked straight this would be another 100 point loss.

We just don't get enough ball. Garland top possessions with 11. Hawks have 10 players with more than 11, that's half the bloody side.

two sitters missed F me

this is getting messy now.

2 wrong holding the ball decisions 2 goals to Hawthorn. Umpires making this hard to watch