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Both Jamar and PJ were worse than awful tonight.... Fergs and Wardy have probably played their last matches as well. Even with half the side out - it was still frustrating to watch so many blokes murder the ball. I wonder what will happen to CJ? He got more of it tonight, but gee he goes missing far too often.

He's only playing on one leg, and even though he's trimmed down it's always doubtful with Lance that it will stay that way. It's extremely unlikely he will be at the Blues next year... but for a big joke he certainly had the last laugh on Chopper, gave him a bath.

Despite two goals and a super grab - he had a night to forget, let's hope he learns from the experience.

Lance wont' be at the Blues next year, he'll probably be traded. I think there might still be some interest in the big ship, although he won't command much more than probably a third round pick. He's still a fantastic contested mark, but his knee is shot to pieces - hence his incredibly poor kicking at goal... his issues with his waist line are a huge concern , but if he can play the way he has for the last fortnight he still has value.

Absolutely. I can't wait for the preseason to begin - unlike previous poor years I think there's more promise with our list than in other years, but I also think it's time for some hard calls to be made in relation to trades and delistings.

It appears we have far more in common than you may suspect! When I was a kid growing up in country NSW I had to choose a team - I didn't want to be like everyone else who just barracked for who their father or mates barracked for. So I went to the history books and used to watch "The Winners" religously, of course they didn't show much of the Dees because we were crap, but they did show five minutes of Robbie Flower and that was enough for me. I was too young to have ever watched Barassi, but I reckon Michael Voss would go close to being about the most complete footballer I've ever seen. I understand exactly where you are coming from...when I was a lot younger my best mate used to hang crap on me all the time, because he was "lucky" enought to barrack for Carlton...(even though his dad barracked for the cats and his mum and brother the dees) he used to get stuck into me about the "hapless demons" - from a herald sun byline at the time. It was just infuriating... he had countless premierships to reflect on and he had great mirth in telling me that we hadn't won any in my lifetime. We went to the 88 GF together and I was apopleptic with rage by half time. We didn't stick around for the presentation after the game and when we were walking along punt road a huge roar went up... and he asked me if I wanted to go back and see the presentation... I actually took a swing at him... and he never lets me forget it. Short story long... he actually doesn't follow the footy that much anymore, we've both played and coached in premierships ourselves since... I still follow the Dees as closely as I ever have waiting for the elusive flag, he is content with what he's seen and prefers to follow the teams he's personally been involved in. I often wonder what'll change in how I view footy if we ever win a premiership... I meant every word in my darkest hour rambling... There's so much more to be got out of footy than simply winning and losing. It's a great tonic to be personally involved in footy at whatever level. It's all about what influence and control you have over your own happiness. I was an ordinary footballer and simply an interested on looker as a coach, but it's a wonderful thing to be involved in a team and its a wondeful game... maybe in that regard I'm not competitive, but I never really have been. Personally I'd like to see this as developing maturity rather than accepting mediocrity... I still hate losing. I take no satisfaction in anyone other than the Dees winning, but I no longer need them to win a premeirship to validate my existence or fulfill my dreams, or appreciate footy. I'd like to think that in my two great sporting loves - football and cricket, that when I die, I'll go to heaven and there'll be no scoreboard and there''ll be no umpires to ruin a good game.

Given Haydo's source was close to Sheedy and not the club, the confusion may well have stemmed from Sheeds own mind, highly likely if he'd had a couple of reds before dinner.

Hannabal, you're beginning to sound as bitter and twisted as our friend over on Ology. I'm sorry someone didn't turn you onto the Hawks at the start of the 80s and told you to follow them, you'd have lead a much richer and more fulfilled life. Why haven't you told your sons to barrack for someone else... we don't choose our teams they choose us . That's footy, very few get to play in a premiership, we shouldn't trivialise the achievements of those who haven't been lucky enough. FWIW I think some of your arguments have merit, we don't want to become a club like St Kilda that celebrate the cult of the individual above the team, hopefully Bailey's appointment is a step towards what we all crave. Happy Father's Day BTW.

Regardless of today's result. It means the Tigers will still have the number 1 pick in the PSD, meaning they can go hell for leather in trying to secure an out of contract player. My bet is that they'll be promising the world to Charman- the real problem is that the pool in the PSD is drying up and its unlikely too many players will walk away from a footy club now without them being compensated. They'll also be barracking for us today.

We won't get Kreuzer even if we lose. Between Richmond and the Blues now.

Saints win... Just. Pity. It would have been nice to see the Blues collect a third wooden spoon in a row.

Three Quarter time and the Tiges are up by 3 points.... interesting times ahead. and the first goal of the last up by 9 points.... Saints look to have given up.

I think that's right Jack, at least I'd like to think my interpretation of that is right... I don't think it's the case of Bailey doesn't believe in trade week, rather he doesn't believe in coughing up high draft picks for other club's problems. David Roden's a good example - no one wanted him as a trade, but Port took the very low risk option and it's paid off for them. Last year there was very little on offer and hence we didn't get involved... many on here criticised the club for that, but I think the decision has been well and truly vindicated. The good news is other clubs (Sydney, Bulldogs, Collingwood) don't think like that and I think the club has the opportunity to improve its draft position and cauterise the softness in the list by trading a couple of players.

It didn't work for us last week, I think the plan is that it wont work for us again....

oh Dear... do you want your bottle now or later?....

Won't coach - despite the process he hasn't got a contract with us yet, and the mechanics of modern football is far more involved than him simply picking up the team sheet and walking into the box. I would think he'll be at the game though and any thoughts of our players maybe taking the foot of the accelerator to be dead and buried. I expect Robbo to kick about 8 goals.

You appoint a coach to coach, let's get someone else to market the club!

The whispers surrounding Bailey with all those he was involved in were unanimously positive and supportive. He has had an extremely solid grounding, and Port contrary to popular belief are far from flush with money, but what they do have they use very well and they have probably an even stronger culture and identity than Essendon. The whispers surrounding Sheeds, were very mixed (some were downright scary). He isn't a Messiah, and as the Paul Gardner Squad alluded to earlier, it isn't desirable to appoint people based on unrealistic expectation and past glory... let's see what they have to offer for the future. All five short listed candidates had an equal chance to stake their claim in a rigourous process. If Sheeds was overlooked then we can't cry a river because we didn't get what we thought was best for the club (and quite frankly how would I or anyone else on this forum know anyway!)

Culture...

and their coach is.... Daryn Cresswell... enough said.

So why did they keep him away from training... He should have been there coughing all over his team mates in preparation for the W/E.

The Northern RooDees...

I meant delisting - but same, same.... as for Warnock.... D'ohhhh. If he wasn't worth a game this year (yes I know he played one match) he won't be next year.

I had a little chuckle to myself when Jakovich or some other commentator said that the other day....

Warnock and Neville absolute Montys. Ferg won't survive.