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It looks like Sydney may hold onto Jolly, so they wouldn't immediately target a ruckman. Roos has always gone hard for a target in trade week and isn't adverse to trading any pick to get what he wants. Trapper fits the bill, in terms of their needs -their list is on limited time, Trav would make an immediate impact. If they offered their first pick for him I'd jump on it.

For the record, I want Judd. I really don't want to have to trade any U23s (just because it's robbing our strengths - i think the Coasters will be after picks to grab Morton/Palmer/Masten/Rance anyway)... I see a few of their supporters on BF ( ) are keen on Robbo. It's a possibility. I think about I mil a year is about right for Judd, (He could share captaincy with Neita for a year - and automatically as captain be paid a premium wage anyway) I won't be critical of the club though if it doesn't pursue him if he starts to get towards 1.2 -1.5 mil a year as you lose too much with not being able to retain better players on your list.

The issue is his knee... if it gets worse next year and he starts to drop off then we only have to carry him for another year... rather than two (see any recent Yze thread). It's a prudent move by the club. The club isn't offering him up for trade, its offering him two years... if he loves the club he'll sign on.

Wont' get Morris, along with Harris he's untouchable.... I'd trade Robbo and Miller for a second round pick and Gia.... Fev is apparently off the table, hence the Bullies offering Robbo a three year contract. I think its pretty simple... If he loves the club he'll sign for two years, otherwise it's thanks for the memories.

I didn't grow even a cm after I turned 14... it's different for everyone... you shouldn't draft on guess work.

Exactly Rhino - good get that! I believe Danny was part of the infamous Lachlan Veale trade... anyhoo... not surprisingly he doesn't fit into Clarko's new accountability regime down there in Hawk land. I agree JJC that Fergs is brave... but, unfortunately he just isn't big enough and his decision making is questionable. There are some clubs making some desperate gurgling noises re trading for KPP (Bulldogs) so he maybe offered a lifeline somewhere.

Edit. Mark Seaby (Gone) Jamie Charman (Gone) Justin Kositzizxccnik (Gone) Gonna have to pay the man if we want to trade for a ruckman, gonna have to pay him twice if we want one that can actually play. Melbourne have a new proviso for their recruiting manager.... it's called the dud brother ultimatum... don't draft em! (OK that's just tongue in cheek... I've got no idea about the kid)

I don't get the opportunity to watch many live matches, probably only a couple a year. I've watched Travis closely the last couple of years in particular and this probably only amounts to about five games in total( so I am happy for people to correct me) What i have seen is Travis doesn't run hard, he walks around the stoppages and occasionally runs to get off his man - Like Yze he points a lot - he never runs to pick up a player - ever. Likewise when it's time for his rotation he ambles to the bench - people make fun of guys like Jamar sprinting to the bench, but any coach will tell you that there is nothing more frustrating than players who won't come from the ground when they're supposed to. Is this the first time Travis has played off half back in his ten year career - No it isn't - it's the first time he got 42 touches, but he wasn't tagged and 10 of those were still clangers. Maybe Bailey sees that he can do it, but don't get fooled by one game against the worst performed side of the last five years. If Trav is going to play that sweeping role he'd want to start adding a few more strings to his bow.

Such is football, as already stated both Wardy and Godders can be incredibly proud of their achievements. I'll especially miss Franky... I doubt there's been too many blokes play 100 games for the MFC that had less talent and more heart than him. I think Neaves is still eligible to be re-rookied by us, but I'd be surprised if he was. He didn't show enough to get promoted. With only one real ruckman on the list - two NQR ruckman and no development ruckman... it's time to draft at least two more rucks. I'm not in favour of trading for someone like Woods - he Meesen, Moran etc will all be far too expensive... better to tighten our belts and just pick some ourselves.

Ditto. I'd be surprised if he went top 20, given that he's an undersized KPP that appears to be largely a lead, mark, kick type.

That's a requirement for all trades, if a player won't agree to it - then it can't happen eg. Ryan Ferguson to Hawthorn.

There's quite a few clubs that have already started to make noises about trades. The Bulldogs, Pies, Swans, Dockers, Blues and Richmond seem to be treading down the same well worn path. Like all clubs there's pressure on coaches and footy managers to improve lists immediately. I think it's very interesting this year that clubs like Geelong, Port and even Hawthorn are flying. They've all sort improvement via the draft (with the exception of specific trades to address weaknesses eg: Ottens and Wakelin). I took Bailey's comments about trading to mean that he's in this camp. Doesn't mean he won't trade, but it's unlikely to be for a big name player. I like our Under 23 list a lot and consider them virtually untradable (except for the likes of a Judd). I wouldn't expect too much movement from fringe players either as these players are rarely traded. The main bait is some of our more experienced players, and I'd expect maybe only one or two of them to be traded in exchange for draft picks. We may get some excited interest from clubs with a specific need (Collingwood/Bulldogs - Key Forward or Richmond/Blues/Swans - Ruck). If it were me I'd look at trading two or three of the following players for the right deal: (and this is purely my personal opinion based on getting the best outcome for the MFC). Travis, Robbo, Miller, Jamar, PJ, and either Bruce or Green (but it would have to be a very good result)

It's actually played at Subi Rhino... poor Maggies they have to travel... Eddie will think his throats been cut. I think you're right about the Hawks and Power... as Long as the Hawks can escape unscathed this week it should be a cracker of a match. You'd have to think Geelong will be absolute monty's for the Premiership now. My how quickly fortunes can change in footy. Open up a new line of betting for 08 - I reckon after the flyers teams have had this year, all sixteen will think they have a genuine chance for the premiership next year.

No Judd, No Kerr and No Cousins... injury concerns over Priddis, Wirrapanda and Embley still underdone... nope Collingwood for mine.

In cases like these you have to barrack against the home crowd! Besides it's kinda fun to watch Pies supporters get their hopes up and then have them crushed.

OK I'll blow my own trumpet here... at the start of the year I at least picked Geelong to finish in the four.... but I'd picked North for the spoon as well. Two years ago Geelong supporters were questioning the value of Bartel and whether he shouldn't be traded, last year they were hopeless, couldn't win and many of their supporters were calling for a clean out. Ling was too slow, Enright and Corey were OK, but not world betters.... etc. Many supporters crashed into despair at seeing a team many believed should be challenging for the top four, dwelling in the bottom four. As Allan Jeans once said 90% of the game is played above the shoulders....The change this year is that they play like a team - they play for each other. Let's get switched on for 08, immediate improvement can come from self belief and hard work.

I think the Heffernan rule relates to "new" contracts. By definition Bruce's contract is not new, because he has played one year of that contract now.

How good will next weekend be... I'll be happy whoever loses.

Ouch! I'm not sure I've heard of that one before.

What has he got H? It sure looks like OP, of course it might be an abductor, but watching him on Friday night it looked like OP to me...

He only wore it for one season... hence.. I really liked Matty Collins, but realistically does he deserve to be in the same company as those above? Nicho is best remembered for number 8, my personal favourite in 44 was one John Fidge... but see above. Big Carl whilst good, I only consider a part time Demon. Jacka was hard to leave out, the colour the flair, but alas too brief.... "It's better to burn out than fade away!" I'll take your word on the red, I'm pretty uncouth... but I do enjoy Taswegian beer.

According to the papers... we can add Meesen as a possible as well.

The 2007 Club Almanac has the list you are after. BTW anyone notice that certain numbers seem to be reserved for particular types of players now... or is that just my imagination eg: 2, (midfielders) 8,(KPP Back) 11, (ruckman) 27 (KPP Back)etc. 1. Denis Cordner 2. Robbie Flower 3. Garry Lyon 4. Norm Smith 5. Ox 6. Bluey Adams 7. Brian Wilson 8. Tassie Johnson 9. David Neitz/Brian Dixon 10. Ken Emeselle 11. Laurie Mithen/ Jim Stynes 12. Jack Mueller 12. Adem Yze 14. Ivor Warne-Smith 15. Ron Baggot/Stan Alves 16. Andy Lovell 17. Alan La Fontaine 18. Brian Roet 19. Ray Biffin 20. Matthew Febey 21. Don Cordner 22. Bryan Keneally 23. 'Pop' Vine 24. 'Tiger' Ridley 25. Don Williams 26. Greg Parke 27. Sean Wight 28. pass 29. Hassa Mann 30. Alby Rodda/ John Beckwith 31 RDB 32 Barrie Vagg 33. Gary Hardeman 34. Jeff White 35. Dick Taylor/Clyde Laidlaw 36.Andrew Leoncelli 42. Peter Walsh 43 Guy Rigoni 45. Matthew Whelan 47 Alan Jarrott

The most pithy and accurate thing I have ever read on this site regarding drafting Bob... absolute Gold!

Quite aside from all this is the issue of Matthew Kreuzer... most think he will go no 1, and he may well do... but listening to Ratten on the W/E he echoed some sentiments expressed by some other very knowledgable junior talent spotters that Cotchin is a very, very good player. I wouldn't be surprised if Carlton took Cotchin at 1 and then taking either Kreuzer or Henderson at 3. The problem with Kreuzer is he's a big boy playing against other boys....WA and SA prospects such as Luenberger can be easier to assess because they are often playing against men. I'm not saying that Kreuzer is the same as Josh Fraser, but it is easy to get carried away with the form of such players if they are more physically mature than their opponents, they find it harder to do the same thing playing against bigger bodies.