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Sorry conflicting reports. The source is Sport 92.7 via BF, though some Brisbane supporters on BF are mixed about whether he has re-signed or is about to re-sign or has asked for a three year contract rather than a two year contract... so I guess it's fair to say... no one really knows. I'm not so sure. I was thinking maybe swapping our first picks and giving up our second pick, but that still doesn't seem enough. I agree with Pants that pick four alone is about right for Adcock. He's going to be very good.

Apparently Jed Adcock has refused to sign with Brisvegas and has asked to be traded back home... What's he worth people?

You'd have to think that Richmond would absolutely be part of that deal, and potentially West Coast will get nothing for Morton as well... oh well Karma's a [censored]. There's lots of risks involved here for both Carlton and Judd, both would be despised, but in the harsh cold realism of footy business it would deliver. Still I've always had faith in the belief that "What goes around, comes around." We're well out of it, so let's see them rip each other apart.

Thanks DA very informative. Personally I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't think Mr Cotchin wants his son to go West, I think that undoubtedly the Eagles culture is a big factor in that, but I think in the end that he will just have to accept that the way the draft works means that he will have to accept the situation. Maybe Mr Cotchin didn't feel comfortable discussing the Eagle's dirty laundry face to face with a club official, or maybe Woodhouse did a snake oil spin and allayed any fears, either way it's immaterial, Trent will be drafted and he'll got to whoever he's drafted to, because that's how the system works. It'd be fascinating to see what the Eagles did if they had pick one. Cotchin or Kreuzer?

I hate Carlton and the way they do business and I always have. They are just a bunch of greedy pricks. They have pick 1, Gibbs, Murphy, and Fevola all apparently are untouchable for the best player in the comp.... WTF!. I don't think there should be any onus on a club having to dismantle its list to obtain his services, but they could cough up Picks 1 & 3 and probably have the deal signed sealed and delivered within the first five minutes of the trade period. Instead they're going to try and jerk the Eagles around and basically have their cake and eat it too. It's quite simple really who do they rate higher Kreuzer or Judd? If I was the Eagles I'd cut a deal with Richmond, take their first two picks and Coughlan for Mitch Morton and send Judd to the PSD. It'd also force Judd to lay the contract on the table so it's fully transparent rather than any shonky back room deals organised by Pratt et al. We won't get Murphy. West Coast would take Murphy and Pick 3 if forced into a corner ahead of picks 3 and 4.

Exactly.

Half way through the year Cotchin was thought to be in contention with Kreuzer for the first pick. If he slips lower than two then it will be because the Tigers have organised some sort of sweet heart deal with Mr Morton and they believe that the two Morton's together are better than Cothchin by himself. If he slips lower than three it's because the Eagles will have either Masten, Palmer or Rance rated not far behind him and are worried about Mr Cotchin basically declaring that he doesn't want his son in the West... and considering the likelihood of a Victorian club holding the number one pick in the PSD in two years time, that's a very legitimate fear post Judd. He won't slip past four.

Good work DD. FWIW I think that the club has already offered Meesen a contract. He will either come across for our third round pick or he'll be picked up in the PSD. (Carlton and Richmond have already declared they aren't interested in him). Same for the Bulldogs who are getting Hudson. I think you are on the money with Schneider. I really like McGuane too, but I know a lot more people don't.

I believe the assistant coaching staff at this stage are: Williams and Mahoney (confirmed), and O'Donnell (unconfirmed). I'd like the club to add another dedicated assistant in a dual capacity as Ruck coach with maybe a developmental role as well.- maybe someone like Luke Darcy or Matthew Clarke. I think Mark Williams title is misleading, my understanding is that he's Sandy's senior coach... to call him our development coach is just paying lip service to a very important role at the club.

It's extremely disturbing the lack of serious thought people are giving to this thread. Let's consider for a moment that the Eagles have lost their best player in Judd. Now if you buy into the rumour being true they are going to delist their next best in Cousins.... anyone want to stop and consider why? Not even offer him up for trade for God's sake but just delist him. Why is that do you think... If he get's delisted I'd be very surprised if he nominated for the PSD, I'd be staggered if anyone took him if he did.

Remember the Ben Cousins saga.... if West Coast are dumping him and not even offering him up for trade there's serious issues there to consider.

NO!

How do you delist a player whose under contract?

No.

Well if we know anything about Carlton, most of that will try to be buried. The AFL salary payment system isn't perfect, Carlton will think they have found a way to bend the rules... I want the AFL auditors to go through the whole deal with fine tooth comb. 2 million a year is unsustainable for any list.

There's whispers that Hawthorn are keen on Trapper, if that's true, I'd be happy with a straight swap, but I think we can do much better than Roughead with pick 4.

Absolutely. I'm over Chris Judd, I was over him the minute it was decided he wasn't going to be a Demon. He's not part of our future, let's move on. Bitterness and Regret, two wasted emotions.

Judd never played with Mainwaring, but he must have been close, because apparently he's shattered by the news.

But we knew what he wanted when we met him, but maybe it turned into a bidding war, maybe we weren't prepared to give up what West Coast were asking, maybe it was just the whole package was too expensive.

After reading that article expect more to come... Expect West Coast to go into massive damage control.

Understood. I think there's something still emotionally significant about players staying at the one club all their career. I have serious doubts about Robbo, but am hopeful Bailey can fix the problems. I also think the determining factor is Judd. Once he ruled us out (or we ruled him out) then Robbo had the green light to re-sign.

How can you say that with a straight face Jaded? I don't care that Judd didn't choose us, you can't control that, you just move on, but I'll be absolutely furious if Robbo got anything more than two years. I hope Bailey is good with teaching old dogs, because Robbo certainly needs to learn some new tricks.

after Geelong had won the previous year!

Will Ben Reid be better than who is potentially available in this draft though - that's the $64 question. I think it's immaterial anyway. I think West Coast will tell Judd they won't trade with Collingwood and he'll have to make do with the tankers.

Dwayne Russell on SEN said he'd spoken to Paul Connors who denied that facilities were the reason Judd decided not to choose the Dees. So either Connors is telling the truth or Harris. If it's Connors then the club is actively trying to spoil any deal of Judd going to Collingwood. Personally I can't see the point, but it is footy...