grazman

No.

Well if we know anything about Carlton, most of that will try to be buried. The AFL salary payment system isn't perfect, Carlton will think they have found a way to bend the rules... I want the AFL auditors to go through the whole deal with fine tooth comb. 2 million a year is unsustainable for any list.

There's whispers that Hawthorn are keen on Trapper, if that's true, I'd be happy with a straight swap, but I think we can do much better than Roughead with pick 4.

Absolutely. I'm over Chris Judd, I was over him the minute it was decided he wasn't going to be a Demon. He's not part of our future, let's move on. Bitterness and Regret, two wasted emotions.

Judd never played with Mainwaring, but he must have been close, because apparently he's shattered by the news.

But we knew what he wanted when we met him, but maybe it turned into a bidding war, maybe we weren't prepared to give up what West Coast were asking, maybe it was just the whole package was too expensive.

After reading that article expect more to come... Expect West Coast to go into massive damage control.

Understood. I think there's something still emotionally significant about players staying at the one club all their career. I have serious doubts about Robbo, but am hopeful Bailey can fix the problems. I also think the determining factor is Judd. Once he ruled us out (or we ruled him out) then Robbo had the green light to re-sign.

How can you say that with a straight face Jaded? I don't care that Judd didn't choose us, you can't control that, you just move on, but I'll be absolutely furious if Robbo got anything more than two years. I hope Bailey is good with teaching old dogs, because Robbo certainly needs to learn some new tricks.

after Geelong had won the previous year!

Will Ben Reid be better than who is potentially available in this draft though - that's the $64 question. I think it's immaterial anyway. I think West Coast will tell Judd they won't trade with Collingwood and he'll have to make do with the tankers.

Dwayne Russell on SEN said he'd spoken to Paul Connors who denied that facilities were the reason Judd decided not to choose the Dees. So either Connors is telling the truth or Harris. If it's Connors then the club is actively trying to spoil any deal of Judd going to Collingwood. Personally I can't see the point, but it is footy...

Our first pick this year, our first pick from last year and our second round pick... I think that's very fair.... if that's the deal I'm stoked. I reckon there'll still be a number of players that will be traded to get us back into the draft and or for some up and coming players. I reckon Frawley will be a very good player... but if we can pick up a Rance/Collier/Henderson/McEvoy by getting back into the first round... all we've really done is miss out on 12 months development... and we've got Judd.... OH HAPPY DAYS.

:D

Ok so this part would seem to be at odds with what the Eagles have already stated they require - an early draft pick... and it then goes on to say that they are going to share recruiting information...yep poor old destitute West Coast have no confidence left in their own recruiting staff.... I think this pure fantasy and we are no clearer to understanding which club Judd may prefer than this time last week.

You have to remember that journalists bring their own unique preconceptions and bias to the table when they express their opinions - just like supporters. It'd be easier for a Jim Wilson (Carlton) to accept that Judd would want to go to Collingwood rather than Melbourne, or for Caro (Richmond) the same... it'd simply be inconceivable for someone like Grybas (Collingwood) to believe anything else. If Judd chooses Melbourne... it means they all have to go away and not only have to try and rationalise it (gee there won't be a story that doesn't mention he barracked for us as a kid) and admit that maybe that their preconceptions may have been wrong.

Judd will state a desire to play for a club.... I think he will probably talk to the Eagles first about whether there is any likelihood that club can satisfy the Eagles demands before any public announcement is made. You can be damn sure that one of them will be able to. No club that is listed as Judd's prefered option wants to be known as the club that let him get away... with maybe the exception of Collingwood. lol.

I don't think it's anything more than educated guess work at the moment. If Melbourne is one of the two favoured clubs then that's a massive coup. If we are his preferred destination then it will be a feel good football story all round. If he wants to go to the Pies I'd expect that West Coast would make them pay dearly...

It goes back to them refusing to offer anything substantial for Gehrig... it stalled trade negotiations across the board, in the end Fraser was forced to go to the Saints. Magpies also wanted Chad Morison. Rather than try to do a proper trade with the Eagles, they tried to get him to walk and go into the PSD. There are others, but can't think of them right now.

Robbo & Miller or Robbo & PJ?

I don't want to get my hopes up... Judd in the red and blue and Collingwood fans whining.... please, please, please. Over on BF or the sewrage pond as it would be better described the ferals are already talking about circumventing any process by getting Ed to use in omnipetence to declare free agency. God I hope Juddy comes to us!

They also still have Buckley (hard to see him playing more than a handful of games in 08), Burns and a very slow O'Bree. I think Rocca, Wakelin and Presti are just about done as well. They have a lot of exciting youngsters coming up - personally I think it will be the same old same old with Collingwood... they won't get the deal done because all they'll offer is Didak and their first pick. They had a meeting with the footy department to discuss it, but the outcome is not known, Ratten has also said he won't trade Fevola. How negotiable the Blues are is anyone's guess. Footy departments aside, I'm staggered at the supporters of other clubs refusal to trade their first pick and player X for Chris Judd -especially if the medical prognosis is to be believed. None of the four clubs has a player that could hold a candle to Judd in terms of ability, but listen to fans of the other three and half their bloody list is untouchable - for the best player in the league who is only 24.

If the Collingwood fans on BF are any indication of their Footy Departments... there's not a snowballs chance in hell of him being a magpie. I have no idea of who he will nominate... but if it's Collingwood it's going to cost them dearly to get the deal over the line. The bad blood runs deep and the Eagles would rather see him go to anyone of the other three clubs IMO.

I don't mind listening to Parko talk about footy... but i'd have to say increasingly he seems to know less and less. I don't think he's got any idea, not least because he probably hasn't even spoken to Chris Judd to know what he's thinking.

Ok, this has got nothing to do with Judd, but I figured no one would read it otherwise. I heard this on the radiogram the other day and tracked down an article... certainly novel... and whilst quite funny - the club stands to make a lot of money from it... weird Soccer cemetery to cater for die-hard fans A German soccer club plans to open a cemetery next to its stadium so that die-hard fans can rest in peace alongside their favourite team. Hamburg SV, a Bundesliga side from the northern port city, aims to open the graveyard some 50 feet from the stadium's main entrance, said deputy chairman Christian Reichert. "For a large number of people, it's important to be close to the club after their lives are over," he said. "The cemetery will have the look of a small, open stadium." With 42,000 registered supporters at the club and just 500 graves up for grabs, competition for places promises to be fierce. Officials have already begun taking reservations. "I don't know of any other place in Germany where this is done, so it's a unique opportunity for our fans," Mr Reichert said, adding that teams like England's Everton FC have been known to inter fans' ashes around playing fields. - Reuters