John Demonic

Said this to a WCE fan that thinks Gaff for Hogan is fair. "If we don't want to give you Hogan, then you're left with whatever you get for Gaff from the NM trade either a compo pick, or what Nm can trade you if you match. Therefore our bargaining chip is that all we have to do is give you what NM can comparatively give you. I think Hogan satisfies that end already. Now you need to give us a better offer than what Freo will have to give, to make us want to give you Hogan. We're asking two top 10 picks. Gaff may be a high quality player, but as an RFA he doesn't really come with that much value as you're not exactly going to get that much from NM if you match. So as we're ontrading a top 10 pick for Steven May in the Freo deal. What we need are picks from you that can get us Steven May. If we get Gaff + May then that beats Freo's Pick 10 & S. May. That will make us want to come on board and get Hogan to WCE. Free agency sucks for the clubs, but thats what the players association won."

Ill confess my ignorance on the matter of picks and clubs salary caps. Im just curious if WCE's admission of interest in Hogan can shift the landscape today and get us Gaff somehow. Perhaps its too fanciful.

Is it not possible that they pay 150-200k per year and allow us to match the NM Gaff offer, we give Hogan for their pick 20 & 21? Gaff just needs convincing to join us on our 1mil per year offer (1.2m after subsidy) What are the drawbacks that im failing to see here? Seems a win win. Matching NM and getting their pick 10 doesnt seem that great comparatively

I thought they needed 1.2mill xap space to match? Thats why i thought it served their interest to pay some of gaffs salary at MFC in exchange for us accepting their pick 20 & 2 for Hogan

On his spud gun. Pick 20 & 21 !! No, but seriously, convince gaff to join us and pay some of his salary to reach NM's figure and then we'll talk picks for Hogan, Simmo

Thats the most gumption Richo has ever displayed.

Im being followed Moonshadow

Well yeah thats the modus operandi, but i do think there is an underlying bias towards wanting big fan base vic clubs v interstate clubs contending every year. For a team thats already a contender (without the player theyre trading) to get two top 10 picks, well it might be unpalletable for media commentators who are fans of a few of these clubs. As the poster said above, i just get the feeling they're trying to shape the narrative and soften us up for the "briLliaNt TraDe IdEa" theyve (McCLure) come up with Bit of an illumaniti hot take, but so be it.

One fella said it earlier on forum, theyre subconsciously trying to shape the narrative and keep a smaller vic club and prelim team from getting two 1st round picks and becoming a force.

Im no psychologist, but maybe jesse would thrive more under a grumpy dad figure that makes instructions simple, stubbornly rigid and authoritarian. Perhaps Goody is more of your younger big brother entrepreneurial leader with a more innovative and player-entrusting ethos that probably didnt resonate well enough for him or provide enough scaffolding to stay interstate after his unfortunate personal circumstances. i could be wrong though

Hilariously a big WA paper has conveniently referenced an obscure data analytic footy website (HPN) to evaluate Hogan as pick 8-10 https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-trades/afl-trades-2018-what-is-jesse-hogan-actually-worth-ng-b88979434z Although saying that wont get done is accurate. They've suggested the likelihood is: "If Melbourne are stuck on receiving two first-rounders, the other option would be for the Dockers to trade a future pick and bank on improving or perhaps swap an early pick this year for two late first-rounders, staying in the draft and satisfying the Dees at the same time."

Are we all pretending this wasnt a trade based on nothing more than GCS needing players who want to be there? Im all for demanding more than pick 4, but the inflated value of Weller shouldnt be the new value guide for the AFL because Nek minnit gcs want more than pick 5 for May

I wouldve asked for Taberner, but i think Preuss negates the need for a third forward. I think Brayshaw would be a fantastic get, i believe disposal out of defence is the bigger determiner of spread and speed on the wing, and our small forwards can provide up ground coverage. May, Omac, Lever, Hibb, Salem, KK. We would be elite. So we could then have a player of Brayshaws & Fritsch class and footy iq on the wing, with a small time in middle for development We would obviously have to give back a pick i think. 2nd round ?

Which player fits our club and is a realistic possibility?

Mahoney said its may or hogan cap space wise. How on earth can we have Hogan, May & Gaff in the same team?

Media wankers doing their best to tell us we're better with May than with Hogan r1, therefore a straight swap. I dont think i can listen to this [censored] for two weeks. Club's fans know that these commentators dont have any specialized knowledge on their individual clubs, and really only have a broad view. Whats the point of listening and rolling my eyes!

Suffer in your jocks Lloydy

This reasoning is a bit black and white. Does that mean a top clubs delistees are all relist-able? The SOS rule.

Fair enough. And ill rightly cop criticism for the harshness of my post But let me just surmise that maybe Gaff is not the type of person that will thrive with the weight of $1.1m/yr expectations on his shoulders all the while adapting to a new environment. That might be a factor in him being indecisive currently. Time to let this one play out, happy to be wrong.

Ablett was the malicious one there with the push. Funny how the "greatest" players sulk when they lose a contest fairly like buddy on davis this year.

"Told to stay away" Interesting turn of phrase. Something feels off about this whole Gaff scenario. I know he's going through a lot, but to be completely shattered as your teammates win a premiership seemed pretty self absorbed. Couldnt put the chin up and put on a smile and be happy for teammates like nic nat? I know im playing the DL cliche of disliking those who turn us down, but Gaff has seemed like a very odd and brittle indecisive person this past week.

It doesnt even serve the club to talk him down though. Maybe if we let these false observations fester, a nuffie like Sticks Kernahan will pressure his list manager to pick him up with a high pick. One can dream..

My source says Hogan cant make his mind up, so has agreed to a joint custody arrangment for 5 years. Round 1-14 at Freo for 400K. Round 15-GF at Melbourne for 500k

Maybe we can recruit Steele Sidebottom then for a late pick!