John Demonic

We're giving Gold Coast the win and the lower draft pick by tanking (They have our first pick) ? This is literally the lowest incentive game to ever tank. We're tanking for what? Pick 25 instead of Pick 27?

Because a player is good and has contributed much, you're not allowed to actually point out an area of his game that could improve, on this forum ? Weird attitude...

That was a 500k 50m bullet pass to ANB in the forward line

I think you're meant to go from being flogged away v west coast, to losing in a close one, before winning the next one. You don't skip the second step. Most clubs when developing, have to learn how to win close ones by losing most if not all of them. Once again, you don't just skip this step and win every close game. This club is full of children. I can't expect them to have the mindset of successful teams yet. As a 32 year old with the mindset that KNOWS how to win games from watching our club in 94,98,00, 06, these players don't have that experience, even from watching. Some players are born in 1996-1998 lol. This club is like watching a toddler taking steps for the first time. Need to fall over first.

As much as I love the way he plays when he's having a good hard crack, i can acknowledge he's a bit of an arrogant tosspot, comes with the Footy show regular territory. Every team has one though I suppose.

We'd get goals kicked on us 30 seconds earlier than when they normally get kicked on us. Because his intercept markings saves goals until 30 seconds later when its turned over and kicked over his head for a goal. Anyway, This is all confirmation bias. He had one big blatant turnover goal. doesn't mean he did it all day. Were there any more?

Pity we didn't get Parish. cue 50 page debate

I thought we'd been experimenting all year with our CHB/FB combo. There's no use having the opposition score on us unrelentingly and our two best players with two of the most developed bodies sitting in the forward line watching the ball stay down one end.

Changes v West Coast = Experiment time. How about we throw a forward in defence for a large majority of the game? Watts or Hogan. Or bring in Pedo. As they 'drop back' when theres a few minutes with a quarter to go in order to create a holding on type strategy already, Why not see how they go for a large portion of a match to provide McDonald with some extra grunt down back against the Eagles forward line. We know next year we're guaranteed to have the Salem/Melksham/Hiberd types down there, but we have no guarantee of a Hurley type player coming in, or stepping up from our youthful ranks. So we need to act now. So how about Hogan or Watts playing a defensive role all game? Free up some space for Garlett to run around in and capitalise on the work a stronger holding defence can give us?

Re: 2000 and the unlucky to have met Essendon argument. Take a look at our defence and then get back to me on whether we were unlucky. We got on a roll but we were never a premiership capable side, as evidenced by our fall-out from contention the following year. Conceding 19.21 in a GF is basically doing a Port in 07. I don't think anyone thinks Port were unlucky to have met the 07 Geelong juggernaut. I don't think Ox has much of a footing to stand on, if we magically bounce up into contention and have some luck go our way ONE year in 2017 or 2018, then we'd have achieved just as much as the OX's 2000 squad. If we don't build a solid defence and foundation then we'll be just another footnote like the 2000 side and won't be a 3 or 4 year team at the top that has a realistic chance of challenging. The OX does not know what a slow-building foundation that looks at the long-term plan for premiership success looks like. Paul Roos does. 26 Daniel Ward 27 Anthony Ingerson 44 Alistair Nicholson HB: 42 Peter Walsh 28 Matthew Collins 21 Steven Febey

Everyone defines words differently. Good, Gun, Absolute Gun, Elite, A-Grader, Great. Do I have the order correct?

46-83 2015

Proven right today. So many non-perceptive fans with their blinkers on in this forum who couldn't see how St Kilda's winning performances were a more mature brand of football than ours.

Like to see a replay of that point, Commentators with bulldog blinkers on just blindly accepting it

Why do Footscray wear green socks?

Carlton v West Coast at the MCG today. What a [censored] up. Clearly the AFL has done this to appease the WCE request for a game at the G pre-finals and put their interests ahead of ours.

It's kind of ironic that the institutions that should "leave political issues aside" are the ones internally at the forefront of providing adequate discrimination awareness training for their employees. It's a shame that it's not as widespread in the community, unless you've signed up to study or work in a place that does provide it. The school system really should catch it early on, but hasn't in the past for whatever reason. It's good that schools are the ones that are now at the forefront of anti-discrimination measures.

We're closing in on the 20th anniversary of this very comment being made.

Just give up any hope and expectations. Last year was a valuable lesson in not caring about whether Hawthorn have to play away interstate finals games because of regular season losses. I naively got so excited about Hawthorn going into last years finals and thinking they wouldnt win it playing a 4 week finals series with two perth games. If they finish 1st, so what? They've been closer to defeat at the MCG in two prelims vs Geelong and Port I have a feeling that many clubs in the finals will set themselves up for a big MCG game this year against the Hawks and may come out on top. I reckon if Hawthorn have to travel they'll beat anyone as those "against the odds" games are bread and butter Bring on more MCG games anyway.

Frawley keepign Buddy Goalless. Hmm, if only our defence didn't have a glaring weakness. #Equalisation

On this topic, would we have to play at Simonds Stadium two weeks in a row if we finished 8th and Geelong finished 5th? Jumping the gun here I know. But I'd imagine if we had to win that game in r23 to make the 8 then we definitely would find it extremely difficult to repeat the same victory again. Would be great if they scheduled it at the MCG though. 70k!

2017 Pick 18?

Did I hear he had 100% kicking efficiency at some significant point in the game? Edit: Yup, he finished with 93% disposal efficiency.

If you've met a North supporter then you have found a needle in a haystack is what you've done.

Now we hunt for the Kangaroos 8th position.