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Round 16 was when they lost to saints by 67 points, I expect we will have a similar game or 2 at some point his year, just have to keep in mind when it happens that this isn’t like the past anymore and we still win the lot

Wouldn't be surprised if there was a few changes this week to freshen up the legs, the guys looked stuffed in the last qtr on the weekend. I just get the feeling we will be flat this week as a result

If I was tom id be asking for whatever Hogan is getting (from memory the talk at the time was he signed for unders compared to what he could have got to go home), I just hope the club has put enough away to pay for that plus whatever we need to resign the rest of our young talent as they come out of contract.

Why would you say that, I love that Viney is back but you can guarantee he would have had more impact then Viney did today

For those saying Garlett in for Spargo. Can they elaborate what Garlett has done in the 2s to get back in. If anyone is coming back in for Spargo it would be Bugg

Whoever comes out for Viney will be stiff, up till last week I would have said ANB but then he just went and played his best game for the year. Tyson would be the next cab of the rank but he’s been better than ANB every week but last, or do we mess with the fwd line and drop Spargo and move ANB fwd full time.

I just like that we are not relying on the same few players to win these days, it was only 2 or so years back where if Jones, Tyson and Vince didn’t all have good games were toast. It’s like night and day. The fact a player can of Tyson’s ability is now fighting for a spot in the 22 and we can put games into a developing player like Weideman while still winning says it all, almost any other team would kill to be in our shoes. While we might not get there this year it finally feels like we are going to be a team others look at with dread to be playing. Even in the Daniher years we didn’t have that

Goodwin confirmed in his interview that both hogan and petracca will be named but will have to pass a fitness test on Saturday

Beyond this year Vince will be gone and Lewis the year after. Tyson will still be required even with a fully fit team unless someone not currently getting a game over takes him. Current candidates are: Stretch, Maynard, Balic, and whatever other untried or yet to be drafted players we acquire, even in a best case I don’t think any of these are likely. 2 of these will probably have to be playing just to make up for the loss of Lewis and Vince any way Just think if Tyson isn’t playing for us then our other so called NQR players are definitely playing ANB and Harmes. Who always seem to be the first people want out.

Even the best players only have the ball in there possession for a few minutes each game, so what you do when you don’t have the ball is arguably more important. It’s a waste to have a player doing nothing for 99% of the game if they could be helping out defensively

So Wagner survives due to no pressure from below. Great...

You would expect if named McDonald plays and so does Spargo since they tweeted it out. Suspect the last 2 sports will be Fritsch and Joel Smith. Imo neither Wagner or Garlett should hold there spots

To much left to to few, I’ll reserve judgment until Viney is back, if we are still stinking it up then we have to go back to the drawing board

You realise if we are to play finals those are the type who need to lift, they just need more time, they are still young and all 3 have shown at times they are capable

Doesn’t help he’s been asked to pinch hit in the ruck, from what I recall he injured his shin in the north game doing just that

We were fine until it got a bit wet last week, under Goodwin we haven’t played wet or windy conditions well at all as we do t adjust for the conditions

Might have been said already but of the 21 games we conceded 4 or more goals in a row since round 21 2017, we have won 9 and lost 12, of the 5 games we didn’t concede 4 or more we won all 5 Richmond for comparison conceded 4 or more 8 times in the same 26 home and away games, winning 1 and losing 7, of the 18 games they didn’t concede 4 of more in a row they won 17 lost 1. 2 possible takes from this, we are either very good at winning when we concede 4 or more straight, or we are losing many games we should have won due to this

I always find it interesting that people always focus on the negatives of a player, ie they missed the shot, stuffed the kick, turned it over ect. It’s almost as if they would prefer a player who made no mistakes but in doing so did nothing in the first place. On that can someond explain why they would have Bugg out before Garlett or Fritsch this week. I mean he had more shots on goal, more tackles and more score involvements than both of them. It seems like people would prefer he had 1 shot and 5 disposals like Garlett

Agree with the ins but not the outs. Although Bugg can be wasteful in front of goal it was only last week he was one of our best players, and even taking his accuracy today into account he was still one of the better players in the fwd line today, on form Fritsch or Garlett go out before he does. Harmes also gets a pass to since he is stupidly been played out of position as a back up ruck, Melksham is debatable but I think he has runs on the board so would survive for now. My outs would be Jetta, Frost, Vince and Fritsch Outside of Fritsch I don’t think any of the other 3 has played what I would consider a good game this year. Not that they are the only ones mind you but they are the most expendable of that group

Under Goodwin we haven’t played well when it is wet or windy so today’s result was not unexpected once I saw the weather, I was more surprised that we did so well in the first qtr than anything. Lever has to go back to the 2’s and find some form, I don’t care how silly it makes the club look in recruiting him on big money it’s the only way he will be any use to us, continuing to play him is doing him no favours

Hawks fwd line is quite small so I could see Frost going out for brayshaw I could also see Hannan coming in for Fritsch who struggled a little last week. I think Weideman will need to put together a string of good games in the vfl before he will get a look in, worst thing for him at this stage would be to bring him in and he has no impact and goes straight out again. Not sure who listens to SEN here but King and the guy from champion data had some interesting stats about our fwd line this year yesterday, basically we are the top few for marks inside 50, entries inside 50 we are also one of the highest defencive pressure fwd lines too, I think this is in no small part to playing small.

ANB is simply not getting enough of it round the contest for mine. Melksham also isn’t having any impact on the scoreboard so has to be under pressure to hold his spot and dare I say Jetta is really struggling to have the impact that he has had in the past few years A number of times yesterday we really lacked pace for mine so Hunt has to come back as soon as he finds form in the VFL, we saw him go fwd a few times last year so I’d try swapping him out for Melksham if he puts his hand up. Brawyshaw is the obvious in for ANB if he continues to put his hand up at VFL level. Something still feels off to me this year, we aren’t playing anywhere near our best footy, a lot of players are down on last year’s form but this is hidden somewhat due to the massive improvements of Hogan, Gawn and Petracca

Both these are spot on, it feels like too many people are just looking at names to decide on who they would like in or out, rather than objectively looking at how each player performed. I'd just like to add Goodwin has shown a clear preference for players who get the tackle, spoil or perform the pressure act over the player who is more skilled with ball in hand. This might hurt us slightly in the short term but if every player knows they need to bring that in order to get a game regardless of other talents we will be a much better team for it. That is how you built a culture that stands up when it matters and why teams like the swans are always in the mix year in year out while other teams cycle in and out contention.

Assuming no injuries, I wouldn’t be making any changes other than, perhaps Vince or bugg for Brayshaw. Brayshaw did play a nice cameo up fwd in the Jlt so might be viable. Pedersen has to say in to ruck when Gawn is off and to play as a decy tall fwd, we have no one else who can play that role. Lewis despite his brain fades stays as I think his knowage on field is invaluable to a young team plus he’s fine the other 90% of the time, he was instrumental in our 2nd half turn round last week. Wagner did enough for mine, probably says more about our lack of depth that he stays in the side, what I would give to still have Howe, he single handily kept pies in the game today.

I expect we will see, Hannan and Salem out for Brawyshaw, Tyson, Bugg (pick 2). I don’t necessarily agree but think Maynard and Wagar did what was required from the coaching groups pov, that been 1 getting to the contest and 2 putting their head over the ball. Personally I think that is to dogmatic but that seems to be the way of thinking right now.