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0 chance Duff-Tytler makes it to us let alone 13, why would we take a different tall if he was still available

Well 7 and 8 combined are worth 2 and 28, I could see wc doing a straight swap for 7 and 8. In this draft you probably need to pay a little overs to move up since it’s not that deep. I think it’s probably worth it for us to get a more guaranteed talent than 2 more speculative players while wc are going to be building for more years yet, they just need numbers.

WC were apparently trying to get pick 8 via some trade of picks with gc before we snagged it, assuming they are still interested I wonder if we can do a deal to move up to pick 1 or 2, by all reports the first 4-5 excluding the academy and father son picks are still quite good but it drops off after that, WC might feel 2 picks for 1 in there case is preferred even so. 7 and 8 for 2 would work better for us I think

If we had a hypothetical best 23 on the park would he be in it, feel like that is line ball next year but even more suspect after that as our younger players get more experience and we bring in more talent via trade or draft, got to think we want to get more mid time into players like Rivers, Langford, Lindsey and Windsor. Pickett and Viney would also be chosen before him to, he also doesn’t seem like that type that could play another role either.

Points wise we essentially got pick 1 or 2 for trac once you account for all the coming and going and some educated guesses on future picks. Feel like if that’s what we traded up to then most would say that’s a good deal for a 29 year old player that looks to be on the decline.

A swap of Steele for Oliver certainly wasn’t on my bingo card

Best deal we were ever going to get, as long as we dont stuff the picks up it probably works out for the better if we aren’t going to be contenders in the next few years anyway

Spargo for CJ I’d say we came out ahead on that

Only makes sense if saints paying a chunk like we are with Oliver, in a way it would off set that to a degree

I just don’t understand the logic if we still pay half his wage in 700k and get nothing back pick wise I’m all on board for new beginnings but not at any cost, another way to look at it, if we are just throwing 700k out the window are we going to get a better player than him with the other 700k we save by getting him off the books completely, if they answer is no isn’t it worth keeping him even if he is extremely over paid.

Better than frost for sure, people saying he is a bad kick are over blowing it, he’s an average kick in the same way most of our team are.

I think it’s just a reflection of the wording coming from each club, we have said Trac is free to look so long as we get a good deal, bombers have always said there is no deal no matter what.

Hawks deal for Merrett is essentially same points wise as what’s mooted for trac 7 and 8 with us giving a pick 24 back, Hustwaite isnt worth a 3rd round pick and future first from them would be up in the late teens I’d expect. Trac was the better player at his peak but Merrett was the better player this year

Can’t be sure they made an offer of 4 and 5 for 1 or 2, my guess would be they would want 13 back as well in any case, where we could give them both picks with nothing in return which might be more appealing to them.

Does some existing things, he’s an X factor we have sorely missed down back, sure he can turn it over but who doesn’t I’ve seen May and Lever do the same thing, the key is that he keeps his cool under pressure and doesn’t fumble inside 50 when round goal

Still a handy backup when someone inevitably gets injured

I guess the theory would be we are only taking 3 picks in the draft so it ends up 6, 7 and White, but yea looks bad when u lose trac, Oliver, Judd and Spargo plus our 2nd round pick for that

Rumour is we would be getting pick 6 and 7 for trac but effectively trading out picks points wise equivalent to 7 ie 24 28 and 42 as well

Of trac going turned into butters that would be the best outcome possible

Seems like gws only wants to hand over pick 35 in a trade for Oliver, I’d hope given that we aren’t paying the mooted 700k of his contract

Big difference between saying we need to get better and bagging your own team. The way Oliver said it is the latter. If Oliver simply said how great it would be to play with whoever from gws or how he likes the vibe up there or whatever positive thing he could say about gws it would be fine, instead he essentially said as long as they aren’t Melbourne that’s what matters.

Still very poor form to put down the club that’s hes played his whole career at, I don’t recall any other player saying anything like what when asked the same question, if they say anything about there old club its usually complimentary even if they are just blowing smoke. He could have said any number of things without putting the Dee’s down

Is Alir all that, seems to have struggled to cement a place at the giants for a player as touted as he was, don’t think I’d be spending to much capital on him.

Regardless of what Lamb said here it’s clear Oliver seems to have little regard for the club based on his own words these last few days and it’s best for us and probably Oliver to if he moved on. Think the main goal with both Oliver and Trac should be getting a ready to go young talented player in and high end draft pick in the 1-4 range from either tigers or wc. If that’s net of all this at least we can move fwd without being to sour on the whole thing

Dee’s need to stand firm here, we don’t want picks and in particular we don’t want this year, 7 and 8 likely become 11 and 12 in this draft which isn’t all that strong to begin with, unless wc will give us pick 1 or 2 we need to stand firm, if Humphrey or a similarly good player is off limits then trac isn’t on the table