KingDingAling

Contact the club. The idea itself is sound. Its just an issue of timing. Its something that could work, along with other fund raising ideas. It would be good if our fans could rally during these tough times - regardless of how tough we may be doing it ourselves.

Viney was exceptional. Brayshaw shown glimpses in the second half. Petracca found plenty of it, and I thought Oliver was serviceable. May probably second best behind Viney. To the negatives. Hibberd kicked to the opposition all day. Oscar McDonald and Spargo were equally as useless. How any of these guys are on an AFL list is baffling. Just turnover merchants. Langdon needs to sharpen up his disposal as well, otherwise the more he gets it the worse it is for us.

Remarkable effort to be competitive against two experienced Hawthorn rucks. Looks like one of those kids who will play early if need be.

I would offset that by applauding the club for getting the deal done before the season. Petracca looks as though he is about to seriously break out this year. If we didn't get a deal done we would have a handful of clubs offering Petracca serious dollars, which would stress our cap in the next couple of years. So the fact we have managed to lock him away until 2022 is a really good coup. Hopefully by the time Petracca comes out of contract we have other contracts backloaded and have plenty of room for an increased offer for Petracca.

Wrecker mentioned a top 4 casey into Melbourne. That makes sense because to make the top 4 you need good depth in the ressies (VFL). Also, to make top 4, I reckon if we did that Oliver would go close to a top 5 finish in the brownlow. I may look into trying to double things like that. I reckon we will make top 4 next year. I have never got too carried away with our list, but if you take this years failure out (and from all reports we were on one leg before the season started), then there is a solid case we can bounce back. I think we will go close to winning the flag. We have the list, we just lack the game plan, and hopefully it all comes together. Im punting it will anyway.

Big wraps on Rivers. I'd expect him to play next year. We could use his skills.

I have never bet on this club. But I will be having a decent go this year for top 4. As good a list as we have had in a long time. Touch wood we remain injury free leading into 2020.

I think he might just be one of those rare players (like Fyfe, Stephenson) who play well early despite their under developed frame. I look at Jackson's basketball highlights on youtube, and peak at his high rebound stats in basketball. The kid plays basketball with aggression and just tears down boards. Looking at his basketball highlights, he is gritty and aggressive. I didn't actually expect him to be as athletic as he was on the football field. I think he plays early and plays well. He has natural aggression. Basically the opposite of Watts in that regard.

Its not really absurd to suggest a player who hasn't even played a senior game, might be delisted at the end of his second season. It does happen. It certainly happens more often than a second year player shooting to top 4 status after not getting a senior game in his first year.

Great pick up. Really good player. Underrated and capable of really making a difference. Exactly the type of player our forward line needs. This will free up Weideman a little bit, and allow McDonald to push up the ground and use his engine.

Just going off the tapes he looks to be a pure contested midfielder. I read profiles that he is an outside player. He won't be (IMO). I haven't seen effective pressure like this for a while. Really good pick up alongside Pickett. Goodwin really doubling down on the mongrel. Have to respect that.

Young vs Jackson will be interesting as time goes on. I think Young was the safer choice, given that he is exactly what he need, but also has an extremely high football IQ, and skills off both feet (rare for a leftie). I suspect many teams will regret overlooking Young. He is something else. But, at least we have overlooked him taking a massive risk, and I like that. Its the only way you'd not take Hayden Young IMO. Which is, if you think you've found something unique, an X factor talent that "could" be a once in a generation player. There is a big risk in taking players like Jackson, but there are a few indicators suggesting he may live up to the hype. One of those (for me) is that he brings down a lot of rebounds in basketball, and does so against a high quality (world class) opposition. I believe this indicates that he could do similar as a deep forward, but instead of taking down boards, it will be clunking marks. We do need that. In addition, what better time to bring in a young ruck during a Gawn era, where he can learn from the very best. So I don't mind the pick. We will survive if he flops anyway, I reckon we have a good list and this was a free hit, so good on Taylor and good luck to Jackson and Pickett.

Not only should we bid but we should bid and pray GWS dont match. Green looks every bit as good as Oliver looked at that age. Jackson looks too raw to take a risk on at pick 3. It could work out but its a risk we dont need to take. We should at the very least bid on Green.

We will bid on Green because he is a top 3 player in the draft.

Tend to agree. I know GWS want to move up to pick 3, but I see no reason to trade it away unless the deal is massive overs. Because Young is the exact type of player we are screaming out for. We need more class, its why Salem stands out like a beacon in our side - because he is classy amongst many (majority) who aren't. Young would add class when we desperately need it. We could do with adding class for our next pick as well, if we could find a classy player with speed then even better. Two things our side lacks and needs is class and pace. We have so much grunt. Our midfield is practically set and elite, it just needs versatility on the outside.

They will have to live trade themselves into something that may tempt us then. Otherwise they will have to use their first round pick on Greene, which would only be down to laziness on their part not to come up with a tempting deal for us. I suspect they will. It would be a failure for them to have to use pick 6 on Greene.

GWS need to get serious. Pick 6 and next years first rounder is a joke. We have pick 3 and they need it otherwise they are going to be using pick 6 on Greene. Our pick 3 is valuable and they will need to offer up a hell of a lot more than anything I have seen them offer so far. They need to convince us to part with pick 3 and so far they are doing a terrible job. But its in their best interests to get serious and offer overs. And they will.

Take him anyway and back ourselves in to get the best out of him, or don't take him because his attitude suggests he isn't the right type of player for our club, or any club. Its a tough decision. I would probably back ourselves in to take him (hopefully he can turn it around). We do need his type. Good fit.

Hopefully our list management team share the same attitude as you Chazz. All signs are indicating they do. Our default position should be exactly what you said "we must go into this year with Pick 3 and 8". It will therefore be up to GWS and others to put a very strong case forward to us, as to why we should part with Pick 3, or even pick 8 (possibly in relation to Freo and Henry). A fair deal is not going to convince us to part with pick 3 this year. It will need to be massive overs for us to part with pick 3, and GWS are not in a position to offer anything other than overs to us. Because we will bid on Greene, and they will have to pay overs anyway when we do. This is why we are in such a great position at the moment. The cards really have fallen our way. We are even in the box seat for Jack Martin should we wish to take him, regardless of the price on his head we could get something out of Carlton believing we will take him.

I don't know the rules, but it would be pretty obvious if he demanded 1.8 over 2 when the previous figure was 2.4 over 4. I don't know if the AFL would allow that. Common sense says that it wouldn't, but that is something lacking in the AFL headquarters, so it is hard to know. I reckon Martin is more than gettable for us. This appears to be one of the rare opportunities that have fallen our way. The other one is going to be GWS paying overs for our pick 3. This could be a monumental trade period for us.

Given our list demographic I like us trading next years first round pick. We already have an optimal blend of youth and experience - getting in guys like Lever and May in the past couple of years. We now add solid bodies in Tomlinson and Langford, the latter who will address a need for us (lack of pace). I also think Tomlinson is a lot classier than people give him credit for. He can seriously play. Versatility is also handy in a recruit, he has it, good pick up. We gain pick 8, which is the perfect pick to have this year for us. I expect we will turn over pick 3 into something even better. Jack Martin is also a possibility for us in the PSD. With just a touch of luck I think we can go from a B to an A-. But a lot will also hinge on who we select in the draft and how they measure up years down the track.

GWS will do a deal with us. They just need time to deal themselves into something of value for us. At present we hold pick 3, and we will most likely bid on Greene with it. Any club would be desperate to do a deal with us and GWS are no exception. We know they are desperate so we will wait for overs at the trade table. Thankfully not even MFC can stuff this one up, its pretty straight forward, the ball is in GWS court. If no deal is done its on them. We sit firmly in the box seat with this one. I expect a deal to be done, and I expect fairly solid overs.

We shouldn't have any problems getting Martin in the PSD.

If GWS can't come up with a better deal with pick 6 and next years first rounder, then we should just keep pick 3 and bid on Greene. Next years draft will be compromised so their first rounder will be most likely 15-20. We need more than that offer. I would ask for an additional pick to add to 6 and next years first rounder.

Pick 8 is a perfect pick this year. It will fall at the right time to nab whoever sides to it. From all reports, the quality of the draft peters out after 10-12. Pick 26 would be really hit and miss this year, and in all likelihood it wouldn't be very useful. The quality really is said to taper off early. I have heard that from a handful of knowledgeable draft folk. What matters more than points indexes is drafting the right player. Hopefully we have a player in mind. I like the trade.