People should have a listen to Max not doom and gloom.

https://play.listnr.com/podcast/mmm-breakfast-melbourne/episode/max-gawn-talks-simon-goodwin-axing-club-direction-playing-groups-reaction

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I'm keen to hear more about this, genuinely.

A player delisted after a couple of years who may have played a handful of games, minimal spotlight from the media, opportunity to pivot their career while still young.

Versus

The face of the club for 9 years who led us to the ultimate prize, under the microscope in the media often with many sleepless nights and had to deal with peanuts like us criticising him every other week.

I understand what you're saying LITD but surely they're different things?

They are indeed.

I was thinking more in terms of their financial security.

I'm sure Coaches these days are well set up compared to many a young delisted player.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

After tax, Simon will only have half of that 🤣

They get to average their earnings over a 3 year period so he will end up with a lot more than half.

It's just so hard to be proud of this club. So hard. 2021 sure but the 15 years before that and the 4 years since. We make it hard for ourselves. I just want to be proud of this club. Properly proud.

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

It's two days now, and I still feel absolute anger at all the people, many of them on this site, who have been relentlessly critical of him.

The talk about money is sickening. If they think that money is what motivates the coach or the players, they have no effing idea. I am really worried that some great players are going to leave the club. I fear that it is going to be a classic case of, be careful what you wish for, with many of the people on this site. And then, will they say, I was wrong? No, they will just be more and more critical, criticising from the sidelines.

Yes, I am still extremely angry.

Oh please the people on this site have zero power over the decisions that the board makes. Grow up.

Edited Thursday at 01:274 days by Hopeful Demon

14 minutes ago, old dee said:

They get to average their earnings over a 3 year period so he will end up with a lot more than half.

500,000 still sounds fantastic. Could pay my mortgage 🤣🤣

3 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

It's two days now, and I still feel absolute anger at all the people, many of them on this site, who have been relentlessly critical of him.

The talk about money is sickening. If they think that money is what motivates the coach or the players, they have no effing idea. I am really worried that some great players are going to leave the club. I fear that it is going to be a classic case of, be careful what you wish for, with many of the people on this site. And then, will they say, I was wrong? No, they will just be more and more critical, criticising from the sidelines.

Yes, I am still extremely angry.

You're angry at passionate Melbourne supporters for being critical of our on field performance for the past 2 years which realistically falls on the responsibility of the head coach and players?

If this is what makes you angry two days on from a decision made by the footy club which let's remind you, is far bigger then the individual, then maybe time to step away and take a breather on a different perspective of life.

8 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

500,000 still sounds fantastic. Could pay my mortgage 🤣🤣

I don't have one but half a mill would see me smiling for months.

I ended up putting my thoughts down on Goody's tenure here: https://credittodubois.com/blog/history-doesnt-repeat-itself-but-often-it-rhymes

I fall more on the glass half full side of things (with the exception of 2025). Thought it was worth having some things out there of that bent given most of what I've read published is pretty negative on him.

21 minutes ago, biggestred said:

It's just so hard to be proud of this club. So hard. 2021 sure but the 15 years before that and the 4 years since. We make it hard for ourselves. I just want to be proud of this club. Properly proud.

I am was proud but the last 12 months have been a drain. 7 wins from the last 25 games, a zero and 5 start to 2025 and then the horror of the 27th July. Then our coach hits us with there were good things in the last 4 minutes. That finally tipped me into disgusted. Change had to happen not because of that game in isolation but because it was the conclusion to a very very poor 12 month period. The die is cast and I have regained a little of the lost pride. Go Dees.

26 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Oh please the people on this site have zero power over the decisions that the board makes. Grow up.

This thread is for people to share how they’re feeling. HOW DARE you tell Ollie Fan to grow up?!?!

2 hours ago, layzie said:

I'm keen to hear more about this, genuinely.

A player delisted after a couple of years who may have played a handful of games, minimal spotlight from the media, opportunity to pivot their career while still young.

Versus

The face of the club for 9 years who led us to the ultimate prize, under the microscope in the media often with many sleepless nights and had to deal with peanuts like us criticising him every other week.

I understand what you're saying LITD but surely they're different things?

I felt waaay worse about Jetta, Jones and Hunt missing out on a grand final in 2021.

I still feel gutted about Gus, and that hurt won’t ever just disappear.

I even feel terrible for Hore. What shocking luck!

Very few coaches get to walk away by choice, most are tapped on the shoulder or sacked.

That is the brutal reality of the industry.

At least Goodwin got to walk away with a flag, success, a playing group that loves him, industry wide respect, and a $1million payout. I’ve seen senior coaches walk away with far less.

Dean Bailey’s sacking was a bigger knife in the gut for mine because it was a pathetic reactive decision made by those who deserved to go far sooner than he did.

19 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

This thread is for people to share how they’re feeling. HOW DARE you tell Ollie Fan to grow up?!?!

Do you not see the irony in that comment? He literally came on this thread to moan about online strangers for having another opinion.

And he's often the first person to start confrontations and resort to personal attacks. I'd say he's one of the most hostile people on this forum. Funny person to victimise.

47 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Oh please the people on this site have zero power over the decisions that the board makes. Grow up.

This response typifies Demonland. A poster being told to “grow up” in a thread which invites expression of how we’re feeling about the recent event.

I’d sooner eat my own vomit than share my feelings on this thread, a thread wherein we should feel comfortable to talk about it.

Just now, Hopeful Demon said:

Do you not see the irony in that comment? He literally came on this thread to moan about online strangers for having another opinion.

And he's often the first person to start confrontations and resort to personal attacks. I'd say he's one of the most hostile people on this forum. Funny person to victimise.

You know nothing about Ollie Fan. Zero. Clearly you don’t, because… “hostile”???! LOL. You want hostile/personal attacks? That ain’t Ollie Fan, but there are many others who fit the bill, too many others.

1 hour ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

They are indeed.

I was thinking more in terms of their financial security.

I'm sure Coaches these days are well set up compared to many a young delisted player.

From what I can work out, minimum wage for a non-rookie list player is $145k this year. If you earn this kind of coin as a kid out of high school for a few years, then need to go back and get an apprenticeship or higher education I don't think you have too many problems. Assuming they don't let it all go to their head and spend it on frivolous things, they'd be well ahead of most of their peers financially.

49 minutes ago, Credit To Du Bois said:

I ended up putting my thoughts down on Goody's tenure here: https://credittodubois.com/blog/history-doesnt-repeat-itself-but-often-it-rhymes

I fall more on the glass half full side of things (with the exception of 2025). Thought it was worth having some things out there of that bent given most of what I've read published is pretty negative on him.

Mark Twain certainly had a way with words!

Oh, and that’s a great piece of writing by the way.

You’ve reminded me that I miss the writings of Martin Flanagan.

Edited Thursday at 03:024 days by hardtack

Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and let others express their feelings in a respectful manner.

It's ok to care a lot, a little, not at all. It's ok to be happy, upset, shocked, angry, or a little of everything.

Human emotions are not black and white, and for some footy means more than to others and that's ok.

I know that @Ghostwriter had a more personal relationship with Goody as she's very much involved at the club and attends training every week. So how about people cut each other some slack and stop being such goddamn buttholes to each other.

We are all Melbourne supporters and we all just want success again.

We have lost far too many really good quality posters on this site over the 9000 years I've been posing here, because they got fed up with the personal attacks and petulant behaviour of others. Eventually this place will become an echo chamber of sad sacks, negative nellies and egomaniacal nutcases.

#SaveDemonland

53 minutes ago, Credit To Du Bois said:

I ended up putting my thoughts down on Goody's tenure here: https://credittodubois.com/blog/history-doesnt-repeat-itself-but-often-it-rhymes

I fall more on the glass half full side of things (with the exception of 2025). Thought it was worth having some things out there of that bent given most of what I've read published is pretty negative on him.

Thanks. Really worth the read.

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and let others express their feelings in a respectful manner.

It's ok to care a lot, a little, not at all. It's ok to be happy, upset, shocked, angry, or a little of everything.

Human emotions are not black and white, and for some footy means more than to others and that's ok.

I know that @Ghostwriter had a more personal relationship with Goody as she's very much involved at the club and attends training every week. So how about people cut each other some slack and stop being such goddamn buttholes to each other.

We are all Melbourne supporters and we all just want success again.

We have lost far too many really good quality posters on this site over the 9000 years I've been posing here, because they got fed up with the personal attacks and petulant behaviour of others. Eventually this place will become an echo chamber of sad sacks, negative nellies and egomaniacal nutcases.

#SaveDemonland

Thank you Jaded. At the risk of sounding corny, I feel seen. I appreciate your post, it’s exactly what I was hoping (and needing) to hear, and some.

2 hours ago, demon3165 said:

People should have a listen to Max not doom and gloom.

https://play.listnr.com/podcast/mmm-breakfast-melbourne/episode/max-gawn-talks-simon-goodwin-axing-club-direction-playing-groups-reaction

I'm with Max.

Wasn't that happy with the decision at the time. I think it's fairly clear from what Ed said (and many others along the journey) that Goody still had the confidence of the playing group, so the sacking wasn't on that basis. I was personally a fan of Goody's based on his cool measured approach and relationships with the players - having players happy to play for a coach is pretty important.

One of my favourite footy quotes came from a Demonland podcast of Peter Jackson era 2019ish being along the lines that improvement isn't always linear. If it was up to the press and popular oppinion, how many would have sacked Goody after 2019 / 2020. With the young talent we've bought in over the last 2 - 3 years, I think we have been doing a pretty reasonable job of rebuilding the list at the same time as trying to complete and not bottom out and as much as I'd hope it not be the case, perhaps it's unrealistic that we could have made finals every year though that transition.

I'm also not happy with the decision from the perspective that I feel there was a concerted effort from some in the media and ex administrators to white ant out Goody and sacking him hands them something of a victory. Neither do I think we should underrate how good our 2022 and 2023 seasons were. In 2021, we spent most of our season going under the radar and performed above expectations. In 2022 and 2023, we were the hunted and still performed and finished top 4. Our start to 2022 was outstanding, I think the conditioning team let us down by not keeping the group fresh enough going into finals. In 2023, I think we were dealt a hugely cruel (and grossely unfair) blow with Gus. As Leigh Mathew's has often said, there is a big element if luck in winning a premiership.

That all said, what's done is done. There's no use crying over spilt milk and I really do hope this creates a fresh environment where we can move forward without asking "Is the next coach the right guy" in both the broader media, but particularly here on Demonland and the MFC faithful. In this respects I'm happy the board did make its call at this point of the season and not post season, to give ourselves the best opportunity to bring in the best coaching talent moving forward. Personally I am bullish about our current list and potential in the seasons ahead, but also do realise that with a new coach there could be hard decisions regarding some of my favourite players to be made at the end of the season.

More than anything, I'm excited by the prospect of watch another MFC premiership sometime in the years ahead and being there to watch it at the G this time.

Edited Thursday at 03:294 days by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

2 hours ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

They are indeed.

I was thinking more in terms of their financial security.

I'm sure Coaches these days are well set up compared to many a young delisted player.

A good slant on it LITD. Something I had not considered.

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

I felt waaay worse about Jetta, Jones and Hunt missing out on a grand final in 2021.

I still feel gutted about Gus, and that hurt won’t ever just disappear.

The players that miss out on premierships is always hard and something of a regret. In that year, I also somewhat feel for guys like Melksham who I felt was a huge part of our revival in 2017 / 2018 and has been great in the last few years, but was unfortunately either injured and/or out of form in 2021.

Adam Tomlinson was also another so unlucky to get injured mid season after putting together some great form and helping hold the backline together for a number of weeks in the absence of May and Hibbo.

Similarly Aaron vandenBerg was a personal favorite of mine with the way he played the game and played an awsome late season cameo role in 2021 from recollection, but didn't make the final cut. Joel Smith another to play well late season, including a great qualifying final playing on Charlie Cameron a his peak.

Would also have been great to have seen Majak Daw played at least one senior game during the season if not for being struck down by injury at just the time he might have got a game.

Like I say, it is a typical thing with premierships, but hopefully all those guys really did feel valued in their contributions to bringing home the trophy.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

You know nothing about Ollie Fan. Zero. Clearly you don’t, because… “hostile”???! LOL. You want hostile/personal attacks? That ain’t Ollie Fan, but there are many others who fit the bill, too many others.

I'm sorry, joining a thread just to inflict the blame onto posters for an administrative decision that they had ZERO control over is the definition of hostile in my view. If you don't see it that way then so be it.

Edited Thursday at 04:094 days by Hopeful Demon

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

This thread is for people to share how they’re feeling. HOW DARE you tell Ollie Fan to grow up?!?!

How are you going Ghostwriter, are you OK.