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11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Overall for the year we're 8th for 'with the footy' and 11th for 'without the footy'.

For an overall season, 8th is the best we've been 'with the footy' since 2022. We were 10th in 2023 and 13th in 2024 for comparison.

And yet in 22' and 23' we finished top 4.

So again, I'm not sure what exactly those last 5 matches are telling us from a 'what actually matters' perspective?

Not a lot.

But each to their own, I guess some people need to find the joy somewhere from this season.

 
39 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

And yet in 22' and 23' we finished top 4.

So again, I'm not sure what exactly those last 5 matches are telling us from a 'what actually matters' perspective?

Not a lot.

But each to their own, I guess some people need to find the joy somewhere from this season.

It's because we were number 1 without the footy and number 1 in contest. The old "Contest and defence".

Being excellent in those 2 areas can get you into finals/top 4 but you're not going to win the whole thing if you can't move the footy and score.

Goody realised this at the end of 2023 which is why we started to change our style to try and be better at moving the footy and scoring. Unfortunately, our defence fell away as a byproduct of this transition which has ultimately led to the losses and then Goodwin's job.

Whoever takes over as coach needs to continue the progress of moving the ball but also sure up our defence and I think we'll be competing again. Our defence is our biggest problem, but the media (and a lot of supporters), still concentrate on our connection going forward but we've made significant progress in that area this year.

4 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Our defence is our biggest problem,

Getting all our defenders on the park would help. Missing Lever pretty well all year, and May for some of it, Rivers to on-ball/mid, McVee with an early season injury that he hasn't really been able to work back from, missing depth/backup (Hore, AMW), Petty forward - though Turner is stepping up, etc. etc. We had pretty much the same backline for a few years there, and it showed, this year has been a bit of a dog's breakfast.

 
7 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Getting all our defenders on the park would help. Missing Lever pretty well all year, and May for some of it, Rivers to on-ball/mid, McVee with an early season injury that he hasn't really been able to work back from, missing depth/backup (Hore, AMW), Petty forward - though Turner is stepping up, etc. etc. We had pretty much the same backline for a few years there, and it showed, this year has been a bit of a dog's breakfast.

That's an excellent point.

In previous years the plsyers were so well drilled in terms of our defensive systems and structures that any new player could just slot into that sytem no drama.

But that’s decidedly not the case now.

And the other issue is a transition based game plan requires defenders with to who can get backnon turnover- which is why trialled Windsor back thete and whether went with Howes over Tmac for a few weeks (which even though I get the logic was still a completely stupid decision, one I know for a fact was not all on Goody).

And that need for speed exposed Lever and in particular May. It also exposes Mat defensively in one in one contests because he's at his best when the ball comes in slow so he can get in a strength battle with the oppos forward gorilla.

As we saw on the weekend when the ball comes in fast he not only struggles to go with a leading forward his loses his one wood - his ability to out muscle his opponent.

5 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Our defence is our biggest problem, but the media (and a lot of supporters), still concentrate on our connection going forward but we've made significant progress in that area this year.

Having watched every minute of every game (bar the Cats game), nah we haven't.


2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Having watched every minute of every game (bar the Cats game), nah we haven't.

Stats say otherwise and both Chaplin and Goody have said it, but ok.

17 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Stats say otherwise and both Chaplin and Goody have said it, but ok.

Stats on the weekend says otherwise.

We had more inside 50s then Hawthorn with 56 compared to Hawthorn's 49 and yet we only kicked 8 goals compared to Hawthorn's 13.

Its still a massive issue.

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Stats on the weekend says otherwise.

We had more inside 50s then Hawthorn with 56 compared to Hawthorn's 49 and yet we only kicked 8 goals compared to Hawthorn's 13.

Its still a massive issue.

Chaplin acknowledged this and said that people will be drawn to this same old story but it hasn't been a problem the last 5-6 games. Hawks are currently the second best defensive side in the comp at the minute. It was more about how good Hawthorn are (plus the conditions) and less about us.

 
On 18/08/2025 at 21:12, rjay said:

Poor Goody...he's gone and we're still going on about him.

Give him a break.

FWIW, he's a legend of the club and no one can take that away from him.

Right? The posters calling for his sacking got what they so badly wanted yet they continue to disparage him. But I suppose it’s to be expected on this site. I’m just wondering when it will taper off, if ever.

Idk who our next coach will be but already I feel sorry for him.

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