If someone can get to JT. Let him know of a draft prospect for 2030 draft. U13 Vampires kid (won’t share is name for now) but plays in the ruck. Super smooth mover, and an all round gifted athlete. Has a flawless kicking technique as well and a phenomenal leap. He’d be close to 6ft now at age 13.I’d be surprised if he didn’t go top 10 in the draft even this far out. Best player of his age bracket in the SMJFL without question.

20 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

If someone can get to JT. Let him know of a draft prospect for 2030 draft. U13 Vampires kid (won’t share is name for now) but plays in the ruck. Super smooth mover, and an all round gifted athlete. Has a flawless kicking technique as well and a phenomenal leap. He’d be close to 6ft now at age 13.I’d be surprised if he didn’t go top 10 in the draft even this far out. Best player of his age bracket in the SMJFL without question.

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

If someone can get to JT. Let him know of a draft prospect for 2030 draft. U13 Vampires kid (won’t share is name for now) but plays in the ruck. Super smooth mover, and an all round gifted athlete. Has a flawless kicking technique as well and a phenomenal leap. He’d be close to 6ft now at age 13.I’d be surprised if he didn’t go top 10 in the draft even this far out. Best player of his age bracket in the SMJFL without question.

Choco could no doubt train that out of him. 😡🤬☹️

What about last year when Tim Lamb was going to trade out the picks that nabbed us Langford and Lindsay for a 28 year old Dan Houston who would’ve helped us get from 14th to 12th and Alan Richardson went ‘we need to get older not younger’ then oh wait never mind we need to go to the draft let’s rebuild talk about a pair of gooses that don’t know where we are. 0 faith.

On 17/06/2025 at 22:59, Random Task said:

When McRae took over the pies he had a demands for his ideal playing list. This included making some big decisions on fan favourites including paying out contracts and accepting "unders" in trade compensation for both Treloar and Grundy.

Can't help but feel we may be fast approaching the need to take a similar approach to re-set and rebalance the list.

The trick is finding suitors, keeping enough talent on the list to continue challanging and acquiring our desired players.

We don't have the luxury of a Daicos walking into our list.

Grundy was under a big injury cloud. 3 of their most important players are father sons. this year they brought in 3 first 18 types players to bolsters their list.

Cant see McVee staying if Melbourne keep playing him as a marking man up player,other teams will come for his kicking skills up the ground

Think most people are pretty well aligned here,

For me only one of Sparrow or Viney can be in the side as they offer the same amounts of nothing, tackling pressure yes, disposal efficiency no, goal awareness as a resting fwd nothing

As a 25yo myself I'm so jealous of teams who have 1 club legends to reflect on like Geelong, Hawks, Pies. It's why I've always been desperate to see Clarry be a dee for life, but the smart footballing decision is to move on from him. Trac, Rivers, Pickett, ??Bergman??, Sparrow/Viney, Windsor/Lindsay and Langford offers you enough depth there.

Tmac for Derksen is an easy direct swap, and Petty is an AA FB once May retires and he gets a proper go in the role.

The worst thing we can do is give Spargo 2 years coz we feel sorry for him being injured and give Henderson/Culley another chance to prove their worth as late additions to the list. Mature bodies sure, upside nothing

The most important person in the Football Dept after Senior Coach is the List Manager. Watching the Swansv Bulldogs. Tim Lamb has let go JJ doing a great job on Richard’s, Brodie Grundy nearly BOG James Harmes going well. Watched GWS last week. Toby Bedford ran and ran and ran again and kicked a clutch goal Chad Warner now a regular at Freo, Jayden Hunt continues to break lines at West Coast. To cover these losses Lamb has brought in Well we know who he has brought in … no one. End result our list has nowhere near the depth we had in 2021. His results must be scrutinised at years end.

1 hour ago, The Trunk said:

The most important person in the Football Dept after Senior Coach is the List Manager. Watching the Swansv Bulldogs. Tim Lamb has let go JJ doing a great job on Richard’s, Brodie Grundy nearly BOG James Harmes going well. Watched GWS last week. Toby Bedford ran and ran and ran again and kicked a clutch goal Chad Warner now a regular at Freo, Jayden Hunt continues to break lines at West Coast. To cover these losses Lamb has brought in Well we know who he has brought in … no one. End result our list has nowhere near the depth we had in 2021. His results must be scrutinised at years end.

Is it the List Manager who lets players go, or the Coaching panel?

I think it is the Coaching panel.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Lindsay, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Pettracca, Windsor

HF: Langford, van Rooyen, Chandler

F: Melksham, Kentfield, Fritsch

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Salem, Petty, Rivers, Oliver

SUB: Sparrow

The rest: Spargo, Laurie, Jefferson, Howes, McAdam, Adams, Verrall, Campbell, Sharp, Mentha, Johnson, Moniz-Wakefield, Berry

Out: Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Sestan, Woewodin, Brown, Henderson, Culley Possible out: Oliver

Possible gets: Sinnema, White and Dersken

My mail is that Geelong are still keen on Oliver maybe we could get their first round pick.

Edited July 6Jul 6 by WERRIDEE

Our game plan doesn't look too bad. Our list management does. I know Spargo didn't play today and I love Bowey and McVee but it is clear we are too short across the ground. Who do we bring in Billings, Wowey, Pup or Laurie to fill the void?

Hopefulyy Kentfield makes it and Kalani comes soon.

We get obliterated by taller players.

I’d keep Sestan which means we have 2 rookies and 4 to 5 draft picks if Oliver goes.

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Lindsay, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Langford, van Rooyen, Chandler

F: Melksham, Kentfield, Fritsch

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Salem, Petty, Rivers, Oliver

SUB: Sparrow

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Howes

HB: Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Sestan

C: Sinemma, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Spargo, Johnson, Mentha

F: McAdam, Jefferson, White

FOLL: Campbell, Tholstrup, draft pick

IC: Verrall, draft pick, draft pick

Edited July 6Jul 6 by WERRIDEE

Out - TMac, Fullerton, Woewoedin, Hore, Henderson, Fritta, Culley

In - White, Sinemma, Derksen, ????

Listening to Goodwin presser it appears their strategy is to improve via the draft & our existing older players are still capable of featuring at the next flag assault, not the course that the cats, pies & lions have taken, can’t see many of our senior players will request for a trade if we finish bottom 6 in 26 if not this season

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

4 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

No Rivers?

We are not getting Allen - he’s off to the bears

Puddy tatts won’t give up a first rounder for Oliver

Bonner is a good vfl player, but can’t see him coming back onto an afl list at rising 29 years of age

Edited 21 hours ago21 hr by whatwhat say what

On 16/06/2025 at 08:55, demoncat said:

The outcome of the club’s off season review was that we have a list capable of playing finals and that all their efforts would be towards realising this outcome

Well this will now be back to back years not playing finals, so by our own assessment we’ve failed to realise the potential of our list

I don’t blame the club for thinking this way - it’s clear our best footy matches it with the best in the comp

But we continually seem to make the same mistakes week after week and I just don’t know how that changes without significant change to either our coaching or playing list

I don’t want to be the new St Kilda - stuck in no man’s land year after year - so the club needs to use this opportunity to reevaluate where this list is at and make changes accordingly

I’m not going to name names, but will point out that at the end of 2020, Collingwood traded Treloar and Stephens

Then at the end of 2022 they traded Grundy

They were torched for it at the time - two of those players were A grade fan favourites - but look what it enabled them to do in subsequent years

If the club genuinely believes that we can get back to finals with the improvement of this current list, well, good luck to them, but if not someone needs to start making the kind of tough decisions we’ve been avoiding for years now

And after the past few weeks, I know which way I’d be leaning…

Collingwood only made these trades because they busted the salary cap. They did not make the decision based on footy, so your argument is completely flawed.

Edited 21 hours ago21 hr by Demons11

The major issue is our list was built for brutality around the ball and now the game has shifted we are transitioning this list. A list change doesn’t happen overnight

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Collingwood only made these trades because they busted the salary cap. They did not make the decision based on footy, so your argument is completely flawed.

That’s true, but the argument still stands when making those trades subsequently allowed them to trade in the likes of Hill, Mitchell and McStay (all of whom were an integral part of their 23 flag)

Regardless of the reason for the trades, it opened up opportunities for the Pies to bolster their list and address their needs

Besides, ard we really in that different of a situation when we have two players on 1 million plus who aren’t performing anywhere near their contract value?

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by demoncat

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

Is this based on what you would do, or what you expect will happen? A mix of both?

A few 'interesting' outs, IMO.

2 hours ago, demoncat said:

That’s true, but the argument still stands when making those trades subsequently allowed them to trade in the likes of Hill, Mitchell and McStay (all of whom were an integral part of their 23 flag)

Regardless of the reason for the trades, it opened up opportunities for the Pies to bolster their list and address their needs

Besides, ard we really in that different of a situation when we have two players on 1 million plus who aren’t performing anywhere near their contract value?

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by Demons11

18 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

4 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

Is this based on what you would do, or what you expect will happen? A mix of both?

A few 'interesting' outs, IMO.

A bit of both. Still holding out on a first rounder for Clarry if we can't get a first rounder then keep. I hoping money talks with Allen and we can splash a bit of cash. I forgot Rivers he's in the best 23

Senior list

May, van Rooyen, Salem, McVee, Petracca, Windsor, Viney, Lever, Turner, Gawn, Tholstrup, Langdon, Laurie, Bowey, Melksham, Langford, Lindsay, Jefferson, Howes, McAdam, Rivers, Adams, Campbell, Sharp, Fritsch, Sparrow, Petty, Pickett, Chandler, Johnson, Derksen, Allen, White, Sinnema, Geelong first rounder\Oliver, Hardie

Rookie list

Verrall, Sestan, Mentha (b), Henderson, Kentfield, Moniz-Wakefield, Culley, Berry (b)

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Fritsch, Johnson, Langford

F: Melksham, Allen, Petty

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Rivers, Lindsay, Oliver\first round pick, Chandler

SUB: Sparrow

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB: Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Howes

C: Sinemma, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Tholstrup, van Rooyen, Henderson

F: McAdam, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Hardie, Culley

IC: Verrall, White, Mentha

On 24/06/2025 at 15:21, Greg Schneider said:

What about last year when Tim Lamb was going to trade out the picks that nabbed us Langford and Lindsay for a 28 year old Dan Houston who would’ve helped us get from 14th to 12th and Alan Richardson went ‘we need to get older not younger’ then oh wait never mind we need to go to the draft let’s rebuild talk about a pair of gooses that don’t know where we are. 0 faith.

And how many nuffs on here were on board with it! My god.

7 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

Can you add some first names, few with the same names.

Is this also a bit of trade rumour?